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<blockquote data-quote="wbobafett" data-source="post: 263627" data-attributes="member: 3556"><p>I again checked all the pics I have gathered and searched again the web on FETT on ROTJ 45C!</p><p></p><p>So this will alll about <strong>BOBA FETT ROTJ 45C (Pal)</strong></p><p></p><p>There is 482 :shock: unused cardbacks on the list that Joiner has posted! </p><p></p><p>I repost Billy Boys posts from <u>2003</u> again!</p><p>http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809708/</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">[Billy_Boy]....</span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">Over a decade ago I truly 'struggled' to find the 'almost fabled' Palitoy RotJ 45 back of the 'Tri-logo' (light blue) Boba Fett...BUT now there are quite a few 'out there'!?!</span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">There is a rumoured 'theory' that many of the remaining figures near the demise of Palitoy in the UK, were carded on to any surplus cardback going?! = The 'Tri-logo' Boba Fett variant certainly would 'fit the bill'! = <u><strong>I didn't originally see an example at retail until late 1984 / early '85?!? So how did it end up on the late 1982 / early '83 45 back?</strong></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000"><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">= Palitoy had a Boba Fett on the Tri-logo card too!</span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">Does anyone know where this 'glut' of European 45 backs actually/specifically came from???</span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #BF0000">Bill </span></p><p></p><p></p><p>...and:</p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">[Billy_Boy]Sure!...Not ALL German 45 backs are easy to find!</span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"><u><strong>Far from it in fact! BUT just recently a LOT of 'case fresh' examples have been appearing?!</strong></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">= Can anyone explain to me why? <img src="http://images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"><u><strong>ALL the Palitoy RotJ 45 back 'Tri-logo' Boba Fetts that have only recently appeared seem to be in near 'perfect' condition too?!</strong></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">= Am I the only collector to find this a little 'odd'? + Does anyone have a 'worn' carded example below 'C8'???</span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">Bill</span></p><p></p><p>And that is the same question 10 years later:</p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Has anyone ever seen a lightblue "trilogo" Fett on a worn ROTJ 45C or 65 back??</span></strong></p><p></p><p>I haven't!</p><p></p><p>What I have found:</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>1. IRONED FETTS</strong></p><p></p><p>I still doubt these are connected to the same ones we call Toni's now. These are really sloppy...with no sense for where the bubble belongs...etc!!</p><p></p><p>What is interesting about those:</p><p>A. They probably come from the same batch of loose unused cardbacks!</p><p>B. The ironed stuff lacks the potential to hold for ever. A lot of have been falling part!</p><p>C. MOST important to me is the fact that also lightblue, so called Trilogo Fetts were used for those!!!</p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/52549310.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>What you can see here is one lifted example (to the right) with clear iron marks and the triangular tab between the stem. I also found two loose cardbacks (RS limelight, Ebay). These are 100% ironed examples. One even has the triangular iron mark present below. Both have the blister sealed waaaay to high (compare to the MOC) and both seem to have lifted easily!</p><p></p><p>Again: Imo these are not from the same creator of the TT MOCs!</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>2. LEGIT CARDBACKS</strong></p><p></p><p>It was hard to find some more loose cardbacks but I have found two! These do both NOT MATCH A SINGLE AFA 90 (= TT MOC). They both only have one sealed brother I have found. And this one has a footer and a waffle pattern!</p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/bobafe15.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>As you can see on the MOC example the thickness of the seal as well as the position is a match! The Moc is Plaitoy ROTJ 45C unpunched. The part of the blister which has flat contact to the cardback is not sealed fully. It is only sealed were the waffle pattern appears and that is a telltale how the "form" must have looked that heatsealed those in factory.</p><p>What also can be seen is the lack of a seal in the middle lower bottom. If we look at the carded example, we can conclude that the footer maybe was a tiny bit to thick and at the very lower bottom prevented a correct seal.</p><p>But please decide yourself....all three are a total match IMO. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>3. QUESTIONABLE CARDBACKS</strong></p><p></p><p>On all those other casfresh crads I have found not ONE USED LOOSE CADBACK OR A MOC WITH CREASES, PRICESTICKER etc!</p><p></p><p>Have a look, there is three types:</p><p>(please do not take too much attention to the 3-D shape of the bubble...these are mostly photoshopped to compare the card and position of the blister...all in one and the same level...so everything that is 3-d is off...mostly...LOL)</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>FIRST TYPE: No Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border on the right. With Aligned I mean the<u> inner</u> border of the blister! See the vertical red line!</strong></p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena15.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>SECOND TYPE: Double Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border on the right. With Aligned I mean the <u>outer</u> border of the blister! See the vertical red line!</strong></p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena17.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>THIRD TYPE: Double Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border <u>on the left</u>. With Aligned I mean the <u>outer</u> border of the blister! See the vertical red line!</strong></p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena16.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the COOs of those: We have mostly "Trilogo" no coo figures on that (like on the ironed ones!!!). We also have small HK, large HK and Taiwan marked Fetts! Is this normal?? I dont know......</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, all of those cards above are:</p><p>A. Minty Mint</p><p>B. Punched but never saw a shop (price sticker). Even thou these cards DO exist UNPUNCHED....see the wffle pattern one!</p><p>C. Contain a figure that should have appeared way later (Trilogo Fett) and also match the figure examples that were found on the ironed ones!</p><p>D. NOT ONE USED LOOSE OR MOC FROM THOSE IS KNOWN!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyone else?? I also find it disturbing that there seemed to be always the use of a "refernece line"</p><p></p><p>Please dig out your loose cardbacks! I really would love to see a ripped and used double stem.... </p><p></p><p>Wolff</p><p></p><p>PS: Please excuse my spelling</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wbobafett, post: 263627, member: 3556"] I again checked all the pics I have gathered and searched again the web on FETT on ROTJ 45C! So this will alll about [b]BOBA FETT ROTJ 45C (Pal)[/b] There is 482 :shock: unused cardbacks on the list that Joiner has posted! I repost Billy Boys posts from [u]2003[/u] again! http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809708/ [color=#BF0000][Billy_Boy].... Over a decade ago I truly 'struggled' to find the 'almost fabled' Palitoy RotJ 45 back of the 'Tri-logo' (light blue) Boba Fett...BUT now there are quite a few 'out there'!?! There is a rumoured 'theory' that many of the remaining figures near the demise of Palitoy in the UK, were carded on to any surplus cardback going?! = The 'Tri-logo' Boba Fett variant certainly would 'fit the bill'! = [u][b]I didn't originally see an example at retail until late 1984 / early '85?!? So how did it end up on the late 1982 / early '83 45 back?[/b] [/u] = Palitoy had a Boba Fett on the Tri-logo card too! Does anyone know where this 'glut' of European 45 backs actually/specifically came from??? Bill [/color] ...and: [color=#FF0000] [Billy_Boy]Sure!...Not ALL German 45 backs are easy to find! [u][b]Far from it in fact! BUT just recently a LOT of 'case fresh' examples have been appearing?![/b][/u] = Can anyone explain to me why? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [u][b]ALL the Palitoy RotJ 45 back 'Tri-logo' Boba Fetts that have only recently appeared seem to be in near 'perfect' condition too?![/b][/u] = Am I the only collector to find this a little 'odd'? + Does anyone have a 'worn' carded example below 'C8'??? Bill[/color] And that is the same question 10 years later: [b][size=5] Has anyone ever seen a lightblue "trilogo" Fett on a worn ROTJ 45C or 65 back??[/size][/b] I haven't! What I have found: [b]1. IRONED FETTS[/b] I still doubt these are connected to the same ones we call Toni's now. These are really sloppy...with no sense for where the bubble belongs...etc!! What is interesting about those: A. They probably come from the same batch of loose unused cardbacks! B. The ironed stuff lacks the potential to hold for ever. A lot of have been falling part! C. MOST important to me is the fact that also lightblue, so called Trilogo Fetts were used for those!!! [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/52549310.jpg[/img] What you can see here is one lifted example (to the right) with clear iron marks and the triangular tab between the stem. I also found two loose cardbacks (RS limelight, Ebay). These are 100% ironed examples. One even has the triangular iron mark present below. Both have the blister sealed waaaay to high (compare to the MOC) and both seem to have lifted easily! Again: Imo these are not from the same creator of the TT MOCs! [b]2. LEGIT CARDBACKS[/b] It was hard to find some more loose cardbacks but I have found two! These do both NOT MATCH A SINGLE AFA 90 (= TT MOC). They both only have one sealed brother I have found. And this one has a footer and a waffle pattern! [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/bobafe15.jpg[/img] As you can see on the MOC example the thickness of the seal as well as the position is a match! The Moc is Plaitoy ROTJ 45C unpunched. The part of the blister which has flat contact to the cardback is not sealed fully. It is only sealed were the waffle pattern appears and that is a telltale how the "form" must have looked that heatsealed those in factory. What also can be seen is the lack of a seal in the middle lower bottom. If we look at the carded example, we can conclude that the footer maybe was a tiny bit to thick and at the very lower bottom prevented a correct seal. But please decide yourself....all three are a total match IMO. [b]3. QUESTIONABLE CARDBACKS[/b] On all those other casfresh crads I have found not ONE USED LOOSE CADBACK OR A MOC WITH CREASES, PRICESTICKER etc! Have a look, there is three types: (please do not take too much attention to the 3-D shape of the bubble...these are mostly photoshopped to compare the card and position of the blister...all in one and the same level...so everything that is 3-d is off...mostly...LOL) [b] FIRST TYPE: No Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border on the right. With Aligned I mean the[u] inner[/u] border of the blister! See the vertical red line![/b] [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena15.jpg[/img] [b]SECOND TYPE: Double Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border on the right. With Aligned I mean the [u]outer[/u] border of the blister! See the vertical red line![/b] [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena17.jpg[/img] [b] THIRD TYPE: Double Stem Blister. All aligned to the white border [u]on the left[/u]. With Aligned I mean the [u]outer[/u] border of the blister! See the vertical red line![/b] [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena16.jpg[/img] On the COOs of those: We have mostly "Trilogo" no coo figures on that (like on the ironed ones!!!). We also have small HK, large HK and Taiwan marked Fetts! Is this normal?? I dont know...... Again, all of those cards above are: A. Minty Mint B. Punched but never saw a shop (price sticker). Even thou these cards DO exist UNPUNCHED....see the wffle pattern one! C. Contain a figure that should have appeared way later (Trilogo Fett) and also match the figure examples that were found on the ironed ones! D. NOT ONE USED LOOSE OR MOC FROM THOSE IS KNOWN! Anyone else?? I also find it disturbing that there seemed to be always the use of a "refernece line" Please dig out your loose cardbacks! I really would love to see a ripped and used double stem.... Wolff PS: Please excuse my spelling [/QUOTE]
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