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<blockquote data-quote="Joe" data-source="post: 435370" data-attributes="member: 440"><p>It would be great if I could genuinely begin my reply to this thread by thanking Jeff for registering on SWF in order to answer the questions that have been asked but sadly, after reading both of his rather lengthy posts I'm not sure there is much to thank him for.</p><p></p><p>For me the biggest issues here are simply the following (and to date there has been no real answer to either):</p><p></p><p>-<strong><u>The amount of suspect baggies that Jeff has "unknowingly" bought and then resold.</u> </strong></p><p></p><p>As most know I've been involved in this hobby for a long time and I've seen some pretty crazy things happen but I'm sorry..nobody, not even the greenest collector with less than 6 months collecting experience under their belt ends up with that many fakes in their collection..it just doesn't happen. </p><p></p><p>While I'm not in the same league in terms of experience as Frank, I too have followed baggie variations and sales over the years. One thing I can tell you is that in the last 10+ years I have never seen as many questionable baggies come to the market through one single seller as we have with Jeff. </p><p></p><p>I've outed many fake baggie sellers before: http://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10670 & http://forum.rebelscum.com/showthread.php?t=1039086 (including Jeff) and while home made heat sealing isn't exactly a new scam it's definitely not something we see all that regularly. In fact, I would go as far as to say that the amount of fakes Jeff has sold/owned in the last few years is probably greater in number than all of the dodgy baggies I've ever seen or heard about going back 10 years (all combined!).</p><p></p><p>We've seen Jeff state multiple times that he's a huge fan of bagged figures, he collects and sells them and has been involved in collecting for many years..yet he still doesn't know if the items he's selling are original? Even if that is true - he's got one of the most experienced baggie collectors in the world practically on speed dial should he get stuck!</p><p></p><p>You only have to look through Frank's email screenshots to see how many times it's been stressed that some of his stock wasn't right..</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry to those that still genuinely believe that he's this harmless Mr Bean type guy who just keeps getting himself in a bit of a muddle but it's pretty obvious at this stage that he's not. Why would you repeatedly bother a guy via email in order to get his opinion on your baggies if you never listen to his advice? It just doesn't make any sense. It almost feels like you were using Frank's expertise to see what you could get away with. If he noticed something wasn't right you would then palm it all off to less experienced collectors who knew no better.</p><p></p><p></p><p>-<u><strong>The fact that Jeff denies making the fakes himself, insists he was sold them in good faith yet isn't all that interested in chasing up the money he has personally lost or publicly outing the sellers that have sold them to him.</strong></u></p><p></p><p>Personally, if I got wind of someone stitching me up with fakes, especially if I was then selling them on to others I would be livid and I wouldn't rest until I made sure every collector on this planet knew their name for all the wrong reasons. Jeff's replies are so relaxed in comparison to how most people would react in his situation it's untrue! </p><p></p><p>My first reaction upon hearing about something like this would be to come on asap and state categorically which figures I had bought, when I bought them and most importantly who I bought them from. I don't know what Jeff's thought process is here but if he's going to continue to spend time writing long winded responses to these allegations that offer no real value other than to paint himself in a good light then he might as well not bother. </p><p></p><p>I might be wrong but I've not seen many apologies to the community over all of this either. First thing an innocent man does is apologise and then he makes it right whatever the cost..there should be no time limits on refunds, no attempt to distract people from the issue at hand and no reason to sling mud at others (I mean, really? Calling Frank out on being too cheap a customer after getting free advice from him for YEARS??...)</p><p></p><p>Jeff- If you really are the innocent party here then you've got to be far more forthcoming with relative information. The community deserves to know where these fakes have come from and who is manufacturing them and at present you've got a long way to go to prove it isn't you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joe, post: 435370, member: 440"] It would be great if I could genuinely begin my reply to this thread by thanking Jeff for registering on SWF in order to answer the questions that have been asked but sadly, after reading both of his rather lengthy posts I'm not sure there is much to thank him for. For me the biggest issues here are simply the following (and to date there has been no real answer to either): -[b][u]The amount of suspect baggies that Jeff has "unknowingly" bought and then resold.[/u] [/b] As most know I've been involved in this hobby for a long time and I've seen some pretty crazy things happen but I'm sorry..nobody, not even the greenest collector with less than 6 months collecting experience under their belt ends up with that many fakes in their collection..it just doesn't happen. While I'm not in the same league in terms of experience as Frank, I too have followed baggie variations and sales over the years. One thing I can tell you is that in the last 10+ years I have never seen as many questionable baggies come to the market through one single seller as we have with Jeff. I've outed many fake baggie sellers before: http://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10670 & http://forum.rebelscum.com/showthread.php?t=1039086 (including Jeff) and while home made heat sealing isn't exactly a new scam it's definitely not something we see all that regularly. In fact, I would go as far as to say that the amount of fakes Jeff has sold/owned in the last few years is probably greater in number than all of the dodgy baggies I've ever seen or heard about going back 10 years (all combined!). We've seen Jeff state multiple times that he's a huge fan of bagged figures, he collects and sells them and has been involved in collecting for many years..yet he still doesn't know if the items he's selling are original? Even if that is true - he's got one of the most experienced baggie collectors in the world practically on speed dial should he get stuck! You only have to look through Frank's email screenshots to see how many times it's been stressed that some of his stock wasn't right.. I'm sorry to those that still genuinely believe that he's this harmless Mr Bean type guy who just keeps getting himself in a bit of a muddle but it's pretty obvious at this stage that he's not. Why would you repeatedly bother a guy via email in order to get his opinion on your baggies if you never listen to his advice? It just doesn't make any sense. It almost feels like you were using Frank's expertise to see what you could get away with. If he noticed something wasn't right you would then palm it all off to less experienced collectors who knew no better. -[u][b]The fact that Jeff denies making the fakes himself, insists he was sold them in good faith yet isn't all that interested in chasing up the money he has personally lost or publicly outing the sellers that have sold them to him.[/b][/u] Personally, if I got wind of someone stitching me up with fakes, especially if I was then selling them on to others I would be livid and I wouldn't rest until I made sure every collector on this planet knew their name for all the wrong reasons. Jeff's replies are so relaxed in comparison to how most people would react in his situation it's untrue! My first reaction upon hearing about something like this would be to come on asap and state categorically which figures I had bought, when I bought them and most importantly who I bought them from. I don't know what Jeff's thought process is here but if he's going to continue to spend time writing long winded responses to these allegations that offer no real value other than to paint himself in a good light then he might as well not bother. I might be wrong but I've not seen many apologies to the community over all of this either. First thing an innocent man does is apologise and then he makes it right whatever the cost..there should be no time limits on refunds, no attempt to distract people from the issue at hand and no reason to sling mud at others (I mean, really? Calling Frank out on being too cheap a customer after getting free advice from him for YEARS??...) Jeff- If you really are the innocent party here then you've got to be far more forthcoming with relative information. The community deserves to know where these fakes have come from and who is manufacturing them and at present you've got a long way to go to prove it isn't you. [/QUOTE]
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