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<blockquote data-quote="SAVORY100" data-source="post: 429382" data-attributes="member: 5830"><p>To clarify, the difference for me is that between cartoon violence and actual threat and fear. That is essentially the difference between the adult and child film comments (in my mind) not whether there is blood and gore or a handful of cartoon violence examples in the other films. To me this is the first Star Wars film to clearly cross that line.</p><p></p><p>Its a bit like some of the fight scenes in Kill Bill for example, its not actually a terribly scary film as you see all the stupid over the top violence (ala the Wampa or Dooku killing) vs a film like The Strangers where you don't see any gore but its terrifying because of the threat and emotion in the acts being carried out; both of those are of course 18 certificates, but the context holds.</p><p> </p><p>Rogue One film has an underlying grit and the kills aren't over the top and cartoon clean, they are darker. There is a darkness and a reality to a lot more of this film than any other before, the way it is shot makes it feel more real and the way the characters react to the deaths around them is with decent acting and real emotion, no hamming it up. Even the locations are less 'somewhere in the stars' in a number of cases, it certainly adds to the sense of reality for me. </p><p></p><p>Unlike the Star Wars, ESB and ROTJ real characters you have bonded with, these ones die, they all die, there is no big rush of hope for them, unlike Luke, Han Leia, C3-PO, Chewie etc who all get beaten and bruised but live to fight another day (in the main). There are no over the top screams like Luke's in ESB to give a child context of what they are seeing and how they should feel. Emotional cues are vital to children, this film has so many of them removed and that makes it an adult film as only an adult can process the feeling and react to it appropriately. A child needs to be prompted and told how to feel.. its (in part at least) why Hayden Christensen gets such a tough time from adult fans, his acting is over the top child friendly, but kids need that and its why kids actually like those films. </p><p></p><p>Rogue One is full of hard cold kills with no emotion at all (the opening scene shooting the spy in the back has zero emotion), it's a piece of filmmaking that is arguably not child appropriate, it is not a situation they could (or should) be able to process if they are leading a normal childhood as we do as adults.. I guess they would see it face value and not understand the brutality, but if they question it, which they may, its a difficult thing to process for them.</p><p></p><p>The sadness of each characters death and the impact emotionally that it has on those around them is not at all explored in any of the other films (outside of Han's death), even that though is overly dramatic and doesn't linger like the deaths in R1.</p><p></p><p>The Deep Impact style Jyn death is peaked with emotion and has a real sadness to it.</p><p></p><p>Kids and kids films do not deal in real sadness, deception and the darker side of killing (generally), they do though deal in over the top yelps, screams and cartoon violence.</p><p></p><p>I would agree on the Anakin/younglings example on reflection as it does have a shock factor even though nothing is actually seen, the other examples though are dressed totally differently to enable a child's mind to cope with them, like Tom & Jerry or Roadrunner.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, its just my opinion, I do see a difference though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SAVORY100, post: 429382, member: 5830"] To clarify, the difference for me is that between cartoon violence and actual threat and fear. That is essentially the difference between the adult and child film comments (in my mind) not whether there is blood and gore or a handful of cartoon violence examples in the other films. To me this is the first Star Wars film to clearly cross that line. Its a bit like some of the fight scenes in Kill Bill for example, its not actually a terribly scary film as you see all the stupid over the top violence (ala the Wampa or Dooku killing) vs a film like The Strangers where you don't see any gore but its terrifying because of the threat and emotion in the acts being carried out; both of those are of course 18 certificates, but the context holds. Rogue One film has an underlying grit and the kills aren't over the top and cartoon clean, they are darker. There is a darkness and a reality to a lot more of this film than any other before, the way it is shot makes it feel more real and the way the characters react to the deaths around them is with decent acting and real emotion, no hamming it up. Even the locations are less 'somewhere in the stars' in a number of cases, it certainly adds to the sense of reality for me. Unlike the Star Wars, ESB and ROTJ real characters you have bonded with, these ones die, they all die, there is no big rush of hope for them, unlike Luke, Han Leia, C3-PO, Chewie etc who all get beaten and bruised but live to fight another day (in the main). There are no over the top screams like Luke's in ESB to give a child context of what they are seeing and how they should feel. Emotional cues are vital to children, this film has so many of them removed and that makes it an adult film as only an adult can process the feeling and react to it appropriately. A child needs to be prompted and told how to feel.. its (in part at least) why Hayden Christensen gets such a tough time from adult fans, his acting is over the top child friendly, but kids need that and its why kids actually like those films. Rogue One is full of hard cold kills with no emotion at all (the opening scene shooting the spy in the back has zero emotion), it's a piece of filmmaking that is arguably not child appropriate, it is not a situation they could (or should) be able to process if they are leading a normal childhood as we do as adults.. I guess they would see it face value and not understand the brutality, but if they question it, which they may, its a difficult thing to process for them. The sadness of each characters death and the impact emotionally that it has on those around them is not at all explored in any of the other films (outside of Han's death), even that though is overly dramatic and doesn't linger like the deaths in R1. The Deep Impact style Jyn death is peaked with emotion and has a real sadness to it. Kids and kids films do not deal in real sadness, deception and the darker side of killing (generally), they do though deal in over the top yelps, screams and cartoon violence. I would agree on the Anakin/younglings example on reflection as it does have a shock factor even though nothing is actually seen, the other examples though are dressed totally differently to enable a child's mind to cope with them, like Tom & Jerry or Roadrunner. Anyway, its just my opinion, I do see a difference though. [/QUOTE]
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