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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby _Lee_ » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:38 pm

ScruffyLookingNH wrote:I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....


Well said my man :D

I really think its not a TT but as Edd said better photo of the bubble stem area would help plus the card rear.

Too many MOCs are being written off as TT when they are not.
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Postby Stinger » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:45 pm

I will send some pics tomorrow, keep my fingers crossed :)

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Postby _Lee_ » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:51 pm

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ScruffyLookingNH wrote:I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....


Well said my man :D

I really think its not a TT but as Edd said better photo of the bubble stem area would help plus the card rear.

Too many MOCs are being written off as TT when they are not.


Just to add that after further pictures are added , if it is a TT i will hold my hands up:) and admit i was wrong.
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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby Palifan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:29 am

I'm just really happy that this thread finally got to 200 pages! :D

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Postby Stinger » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:46 am

Stinger wrote:I will send some pics tomorrow, keep my fingers crossed :)
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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby edd_jedi » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:54 am

The seal doesn't look good IMO, if you look at round bubbles sealed using the pronged press, the two gaps for the prongs are very defined. Yours isn't very well sealed around the edges of the prongs, there are big gaps.

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Postby edd_jedi » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:57 am

For example here, look how defined the two seal gaps are:

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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby Stinger » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:02 am

So it is not properly ironed ;) I know why I usually only collect boxed vehicles and lose figures..

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Postby spoons » Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:15 pm

ScruffyLookingNH wrote:I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....


As yet none of the bubbles with irregularly spaced pin holes have been seen on genuine MOCs. The pin hole bubbles also have double stems

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Postby edd_jedi » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:14 pm

Here's one that came up for sale on Facebook today that was clearly shop sold. Look how much better the seal is all around, especially by the prongs. This bubble is also placed closer to the left edge of the card.

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Postby steve obi wan » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:30 pm

Always good for experts to share knowledge , great thread ! :D
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Postby edd_jedi » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:35 pm

Haha well I don't consider myself an expert, and as many have said there is no way of proving this 100% one way or the other without either a time machine or a Toy Toni confession, which isn't going to happen. So our best bet of guessing 'beyond reasonable doubt' is comparing to 100% legit examples.

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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby Stinger » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:29 am

I really appreciate your help guys! I will leave it in my collection, and if I will sell it someday I mention potential TT card :)

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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby mr_palitoy » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:48 am

Late to the party. That tfp looks like a Toni to me.

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Re: Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

Postby _Lee_ » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:25 pm

Stinger wrote:I really appreciate your help guys! I will leave it in my collection, and if I will sell it someday I mention potential TT card :)


Make sure you do mate :D

Its such a shame that this has completely wrecked Palitoy MOC collecting. Going by Edds comments and your closer photos, id lean to being cautious with this one. Im not 100% sure on this one now, but ive been sure of others in the past ( recent Chewbaccas spring to mind ) but its fast becoming a minefield. Trust me, ive been around a long time, and even im struggling at times. Ive studied this since day one, and even i get miffed on some. However, i also beleive that too many are being told their items are fake, especially when they are not-and that is dangerous.

There will never be any proof of these, unless Toni comes clean. No one can tell is everything is fake or not, there is always speculation but there is never a guarantee. I will always help where i can, and will listen to all sides even if it proves me wrong. You have to respect others at a times.
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