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Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby SOJ » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:16 am

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby chipsteak » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:26 pm

My, totally off the top of my head, theory was that Tarkin didn't make the second wave because Kenner went for brightly coloured aliens and robots figuring that they had more playability than old fellas with no action potential. Bearing that in mind he could have appeared in POTF


On a separate note, my uncle in America did send me a Vader whose mask comes off but I can't show you it because my mum says I'm not allowed.

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby x-pack » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:03 pm

ZippyNL wrote:We had a kid like that at our school, swore blind he had a remote controlled AT-AT - now that would hve been cool. I also thought LXW's visor was hair at first.



You've just blown my mind :shock: Its not hair? :o

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby SAVORY100 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:17 pm

Always thought it was hair... :shock:
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby Tickion » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:15 pm

There was a friend at school who was into SW figures as much as I was and swore blind his Dad brought him back a Tarkin from a trip to the US. (Somehow it then got lost before the next time I went round his house...)

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby nohandluke » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:30 pm

Seems we all had those little liars in school. I met more than a few here the states as well when I was growing up.
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby cantinos » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:58 pm

Is there a list of all the considered, but never released figures that kenner thought about manufacturing. I've only ever seen one concept figure that was never released. one of jabbas throne room dancers.

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby chipsteak » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:32 pm

The dancer you mention and the Holiday Special Chewie's Family prototypes are the only ones I'm aware of personally.

Unless the Holiday Special thing was a brilliant spoof piece and I had a humour bypass that day.

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby BadMotivator » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:02 pm

I don't think there's much mystery. He was far too boring to make the cut of the first 21, and a doesn't appear in ESB or ROTJ so he couldn't be released in those waves. If POTF had carried on we would have seen him, but the line was axed before he made the list.
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby lee gray » Thu May 24, 2018 2:15 pm

looking at the original 12 figures all playing major roles or a somewhat decent role apart from the death squad commander. I use to think the DSC was just put in there at the last minute as Tarkins replacent when they couldnt do Tarkin himself as it does seem odd to have this imperial officer in the line up when he was the most background of background characters

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby Crumm » Thu May 24, 2018 2:38 pm

chipsteak wrote:On a separate note, my uncle in America did send me a Vader whose mask comes off but I can't show you it because my mum says I'm not allowed.


"I can't show you it or bring it in because my mum says i'm not allowed", ahhh the old favourite line of the compulsive liar :lol:
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby Crumm » Thu May 24, 2018 2:41 pm

lee gray wrote:looking at the original 12 figures all playing major roles or a somewhat decent role apart from the death squad commander. I use to think the DSC was just put in there at the last minute as Tarkins replacent when they couldnt do Tarkin himself as it does seem odd to have this imperial officer in the line up when he was the most background of background characters


I was thinking along those lines myself, His uniform does strongly resemble Tarkin's.

It always struck me as odd that DSC was one of the first 12. I always thought R5-D4 or Greedo would have been better.
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby Crumm » Thu May 24, 2018 2:44 pm

BadMotivator wrote:I don't think there's much mystery. He was far too boring to make the cut of the first 21, and a doesn't appear in ESB or ROTJ so he couldn't be released in those waves. If POTF had carried on we would have seen him, but the line was axed before he made the list.


Death Squad Commander was an odd choice then. He is nowhere near as interesting as Tarkin, never gets to speak (I don't think he does anyway, can't remember now, maybe he says something like "commence primary ignition" or something), and only had a few seconds of screen time.
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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby jayums » Thu May 24, 2018 6:15 pm

I’d says it’s down to $$$$$$

First wave - Death squad commander sounded a lot cooler to 70s kids than the moff, and had a blaster. Second wave designed to flog expensive play sets. Then ESB arrived with a ton of new characters, and Tarkin was dead anyways.

I would have liked a Wedge, or just some plain ole tantive rebel troopers for Vader to slice his way through.

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Re: Why was Grand Moff Tarkin excluded from the original run?

Postby TrooperWill » Fri May 25, 2018 10:29 am

who cares about tarkin, kenner left out some really key players such as sand troopers and the rebels from the begining of ANH, stormtrooper Han and garindan( tatooine imp spy) to name a few. crucially sandtroopers and rebel troopers would have made great army builders and sold many more units than DSC, DSD or the much maligned IMP Dig. or for that matter tarkin.

there were some really odd choices made during the run, and i for one would happliy buy one of the toy designers dinner for the chance to pick their brains for an evening.

who else would YOU have liked to see imortalised in plastic?
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