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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby Darth Bobby » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:04 pm

Put me down for a couple of MOCs if you find the treasure. Good luck!

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby Dannywhiteley » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:18 pm

I'll have a decomposed rotten overstock emperor mailaway figure please. :lol:

Seriously, good luck.

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby Stubbs » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:38 am

After reading a news artical i believe in 2015 about this existing i always thought if excavated this could be so exciting. Has anyone ever seen the documentary about the Atari land fill they excavated a couple of years ago and they found boxes of games. The boxes where screwed but the cartridges in perfect condition.

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby Michael Sith » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:15 pm

Filming this would knock Time Team into a cocked hat ( sorry Baldrick!)

Would make a great documentary for SW collecting fans and Palitoy fans alike.
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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby Andyclarke » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:20 pm

Sounds a great idea. Quite prepared to contribute to a Crowdfund. Good luck buddy. :D

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Postby mr_palitoy » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:19 am

Matt will be filming round mine in a few weeks for some story establishing scenes. Great to see this getting off the drawing board!

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby subzero » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:15 pm

This sounds exciting, looking forward to this! :)
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Postby mr_palitoy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:40 pm

Had Matt and Wayne filming in my collection room today for the documentary. Good luck moving towards the dig!

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby _Lee_ » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:56 pm

This will be very interesting. My sister lives in Leicester and a year or two back i had a very interesting talk with a friend of my sister. I was introduced to the grandmother of her friend who just so happened to work at Palitoy back in the day and she rememberd the Star Wars years. She actually remembers carding figures from the first SW line and said about how much she hated Greedos card!! Id often thought that some of the first releases were carded in house and she proved me right. I actually showed her photos of some of my figures at the time and she remembers the first line very well, and that once Empire hit it went into overdrive :) She actually used to buy for relatives who didnt want to wait for them to hit the shops and having to hunt different shops for sold out figures.

I will say that they need to find some of the real, old school collectors that have been collecting from day one. Id love to see the likes of John Ford come back ibto the fold , but thats probably unlikely.

Laurence and Dave Tree need to be in on this. Laurences digging has brought some interesting things to light and shown more history of Palitoy in general.

I firmly beleive that there is so much more to be unearthed ( bad pun) about the Palitoy SW line and that there are so many things we dont yet know.

Will be a fun atory to follow.
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Postby lejackal » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:27 pm

John Ford has been selling stuff on Facebook over the last year or so

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Postby mr_palitoy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:40 am

I’ve already suggested they contact Laurence as the local go to guy with lots of info about the factory etc.

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:49 am

Ok, Ok, seeing as my name keeps being mentioned and this topic has some new invigorated energy I will admit that this comment was actually a red herring back at the time. :lol:

laurencedyer wrote:You lot are off your tits!

It must take someone deluded to pursue the "Farmers Field Myth" :D .

Palitoy used two main landfills, Coalville that they literally filled full of plastic and cardboard from the packaging factory and Lount tip which is half a mile from the Finished Goods warehouse where they would dispose of end of line products.

Lount tip is where people would scale the fence and help themselves to perfectly good packaged toys just sitting there on the waste pile. However the old Lount Landfill site now has the M42 built across it, where the road has slightly sunk. The current Lount location is simply a recycling centre as all tips are in this day and age.

The only hole that I have discovered that was dug and filled is in Mountsorrel, this was dug and filled with Mainline trains. The Tax inspectors witnessed them being dumped in and then crushed by a digger before being in filled for write off purposes.


The information is true, the disposal locations, Mainland Trains being disposed of at Mountsorrel.
There is some debate over the Lount location imo.
There is the current Lount refuse location, no doubt about that. However, during my research I was under the understanding that the landfill that Palitoy used for the disposal of the goods was near to the location of where the M42 is now built. This information came to me from several Former Palitoy sources. Bob Brechin also stated that it was at the location of the Moto service station during an interview back in 2015, I believe that it was published in the Leicester Mercury and possibly the Daily Mail back at the time. Spoons (Andrew) and I had a brief hat about this comment at the time and he told me that Bob had said that location for a bit of fun and a red herring.

The M42 area has been mentioned several times from people with the knowledge back in the day, so was Bobs comment to Spoons a red herring itself as mine where above?

The Demontfot University in Leicester had been conducting some research with Palitoy back in 2016 and had been liaising with Bob. I am unsure the whole content of the research but I was aware that they were keeping a former Palitoy employee log and they also had planned to try and do a Time Team style excavation. Maybe that is why Bob made the comment to Spoons, I can only speculate.

The relevance of all of this is due to there being numerous areas of interest which I will add to shortly.
Palitoy is known to be from Coalville as every carded figure, shipping label and so on tells you.
This is true in terms of where the items were in the main packaged. However the factory in Coalville was a production machine with large deliveries daily from the Far East and from UK suppliers such as Aldridge Plastics etc.
It came in one end, got assembled and went out the other end in phenomenal quantities.
It was then stored until the orders came in for picking and distribution but this was not at Coalville.

Palitoy had multiple warehouses in Leicestershire which included the two images below and they also used warehouses at the Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome.

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The majority of the toys during the era of the topic in question went to Ashby due to it's 5 Million cubic foot capacity which was large enough for 15,500 pallets of stock to be stored.
As big as the warehouse may be, Palitoy would manage their stock like any company with slick practices and they would write off old stock and dump them, which was at the nearest location hence Lount having being utilised.

The stock produced on a daily basis would enter the six large loading doors at the rear. Items such as Speeder Bikes and Mini Rigs may also have come from the Far East directly, at this point in time that is just speculation until I have some firm accounts of this being correct.

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It then was stored in the 42 foot high racking before being picked as orders came in.
You can see the scale of the warehouse in the following images.

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At the time of the build Palitoy stated the following regards the warehouse.
To our knowledge the warehouse is the largest narrow aisle racking installation in the U.K. using ‘Maestro’ free aisle trucks. The feasibility of this system has been justified by the greatly reduced unit cost of the storage cube. Working from a 5 ft aisle, immediate access is available to any one of 13,500 pallet loads stored in the 80,000 sq.ft. high-rise section of the warehouse. Each of the pallet loads is 4 ft. square and 5 ft. high and contains an average of 30 cartons of goods.

This image is of the service bay for the Maestro aisle trucks.

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Then once the orders came in they were picked and entered the distribution section for labelling up and shipping.
The distribution area had eight loading bays.
This was also were all of the Coalville addressed shipping labels were applied to the trade cartons.

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A long time established collecting friend who lived in Leicester in the following years of the closure told me a couple of things.

He either knew someone or came across someone who used to work at the distribution warehouse. He was told that at the demise of Star Wars line that lorry loads would be filled and then tipped at Lount. This he confirms happened as his brother apparently worked at the tip and confirmed it happening the other end.

The relevance of all of this is that I am in no doubt that Palitoy dumped overage stock at Lount, this myth is not one that needs to be proven as it is true.

The location of the site is a different matter. Was it always where it currently is or was it previously at a different location?

Which leads me to another topic of the Farmers Field myth.

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:27 am

As I said before, I am in no doubt that the practice of dumping toy's into pits as such was common practice back in the days before the destruction of the Ozone Layer was discovered. It was common practice with commercial and domestic waste throughout the UK until the The Kyoto Protocol entered into force 1n 2005.

So whatever can be unearthed in what pit or dumping ground is the challenge.

When I started collecting six years or so ago the Lount Landfill was not the topic of discussion, Possibly not even really known of either to the collecting community. The Lount landfill has gained strength as the rise of social media also has aided with the interviews of Bob Brechin. I have seen this across most formats of social media whilst also observing an odd additional comment here and there which get overlooked. These comments are regarding the Farmers Field by collectors local to the Lount area.

The Farmers Field myth was the original topic of conversation from the longer time established collectors.
The long time collecting friend from Leicester told me the story he had been told from a Leicester Market Trader.
The trader said that a Farmer disposed of a large quantity of carded Star Wars stock in a hole in his field.
Apparently some of the local kids would pick up the figures, rip them off of the cards and pull the heads to then use the heads as catapult ammunition.

As I mentioned, it was only three years ago that the identification of Lount being a potential target for excavation was not was not even a topic, just the Farmers Field.

The reason for the red herring post a few years ago was due to me signing a Contributor Contract with a film company as I had targeted a couple of locations that I believed Palitoy used for the disposal / dumping of the Star Wars line. This contract was for a two year period which has now expired.
The purpose of the contract was due to the film production company presenting my research and concept of a documentary to Channel 4.

C4 were extremely interested in the concept but the authorisation to produce the documentary required harder evidence that something may lay at one of the locations.
I was setting up a self funded survey using a ground penetrating radar which required the consent of the land owner. The following was the response I received.

Dear Laurence

Further to your recent email in respect of a documentary for Channel 4.

Having discussed this with my colleagues, I regret to advise that it would not be a sensible option for us to agree to your request at this time.

For your further information, we are currently in the advanced stages of arranging a planning application for the site and, with this in mind, it would not be sensible for us to allow anyone to disturb this area until we have obtained appropriate planning.

Due to the above, we regret that we are unable to assist at this time.

Kind regards


Unfortunately life circumstances changed in several ways shortly after the denial for access which along with several other Palitoy based projects has sat this to one side. One of those projects has recently been completed and I guess this one could be reinvigorated again.

From numerous sources this is the location of the dumping ground from the Farmers Field Myth.

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This is also a field that was owned by a Farmer that my research identified.

Notice the heavy build up to the right hand side. This of course could have been due to anything such as building rubble for instance.
The second image demonstrates the uneven level of the land as you can see from the fence to the bottom of the field. This could be for any reason including natural flow of the land of course.

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Lount does have Vintage Star Wars items that I am positive of. What the location was is the relevant question. A question I am sure will be easy to find out, but a question that has never appealed to me to find the answers.

The Farmers Field though. That's a whole different question.

Either way, I must be crackers!!!
Firstly for spending unknown amounts of time chasing this up in the first place several years ago and secondly for making this all public.
At least it will make a talking point I guess.

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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby bosk70 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:34 am

:o I must admit I have found all of this addictive right from the start, time to call in Phil Harding, although degraded over time, it would be so interesting to maybe, one day, see what was under the ground, if any of it still survives.
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Re: Palitoy landfill

Postby spoons » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:28 am

Great info Laurence!
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