Response to Claims

[Ross_Barr]

My two baggies worth a grand total of £150 aren't worth reporting

surely this is entirely the wrong attitude to have, if 100 collectors have been conned out of £150 each that's £15k and adds more weight/evidence to a case of maybe 3 collectors totaling £5k.. every little bit helps?

I was gonna say the same thing.

[edd_jedi]

I will happily report mine once the other £14,850 worth of cases have been opened

I said that because I have seen this happen twice before - firstly when my own collection was stolen in 2007, and more recently during the Toni scandal. Both times thousands of pounds were involved. Both times there was a decent amount of evidence. Both times the police were contacted. And both times it amounted to nothing. As Simon has attested to, the reality is this is small fries for the police and really nothing more than a civil matter.

[spoons]

Great advice Simon

A few of us went through AF with Toni figures but it wasn't a co-ordinated effort and Sussex police dropped the case.

If only you were around then!

Hopefully Frank and the others affected will have better luck this time.

Any reference numbers or correspondence about that interaction would be greatly appreciated, mate. The TT matter isn't dead for me. Life is getting in the way (consistently) but I have a plan of action.

I'll dig out the pdfs and pm you - probably next week now

[ScruffyLookingNH]

Great advice Simon

A few of us went through AF with Toni figures but it wasn't a co-ordinated effort and Sussex police dropped the case.

If only you were around then!

Hopefully Frank and the others affected will have better luck this time.

Any reference numbers or correspondence about that interaction would be greatly appreciated, mate. The TT matter isn't dead for me. Life is getting in the way (consistently) but I have a plan of action.

I'll dig out the pdfs and pm you - probably next week now

No worries and no rush at all.

Edd, the AF website doesn't take long to report a crime. If everyone that had been conned out of £150 didn't report it then this would already be a pointless exercise and may as well close down all the threads now and just leave a warning not to trade with this person. I know you've been stiffed before by plod. I don't know all the facts or reasons why it didn't go anywhere so can't comment, however, this won't stand a chance of being picked up if not enough report it.

[edd_jedi]

As far as I know most of the big ticket fakes he sold (trilogo Fetts etc) have all been sent back for refunds, without those added to the mix there is no case. Also the people who have bought a lot from Jeff haven't been overly vocal in the forum threads so I have little reason to believe they intend to do anything. Happy to be proven wrong though!

[Frunkstar]

As far as I know most of the big ticket fakes he sold (trilogo Fetts etc) have all been sent back for refunds, without those added to the mix there is no case. Also the people who have bought a lot from Jeff haven't been overly vocal in the forum threads so I have little reason to believe they intend to do anything. Happy to be proven wrong though!

And therein lies the big issue, no one is willing to suck it up & stand up for their rights & more importantly the good of the hobby & the community, 95% seem more comfortable sending their stuff back behind closed doors in hope of a refund rather than doing what is right.

I am not a man of means myself in fact far from it & stand to loose quite a bit financially through this mess, but to hell with the money, this is the area of the hobby I love as well as the part of it I have given many hours to so I'll be damned if I am going to swallow my conscience for a grand or 2.

We have heard from hardly anyone who has been affected due to the above reasons, which if I am honest is a bloody sad state of affairs.

[Richard_H]

True. Same with TT.

I have two baggies from Jeff Palitoy-a and ESB-a and both look fine in my not so good opinion.

[Mocman]

Generally and hypothetically speaking With all the assembled evidence a group could consider looking into a private prosecution of all alleged " fraudsters" and/ or a civil claim. A civil claim is cheap and easy to do using Money claim online part of HM Courts service.

I have used this successfully in the past when I had an issue with a consumer matter. Bringing my case cost me £35 and I got all my money back. Look it up on HM Courts Service website. It's a great service!!!

[maxf]

Generally and hypothetically speaking With all the assembled evidence a group could consider looking into a private prosecution of all alleged " fraudsters" and/ or a civil claim. A civil claim is cheap and easy to do using Money claim online part of HM Courts service.

I have used this successfully in the past when I had an issue with a consumer matter. Bringing my case cost me £35 and I got all my money back. Look it up on HM Courts Service website. It's a great service!!!

I'd like to see it all on Judge Rinder personally

[ScruffyLookingNH]

As far as I know most of the big ticket fakes he sold (trilogo Fetts etc) have all been sent back for refunds, without those added to the mix there is no case. Also the people who have bought a lot from Jeff haven't been overly vocal in the forum threads so I have little reason to believe they intend to do anything. Happy to be proven wrong though!

And that reason I can sympathise with.

I do understand Frank's frustrations although, on the balance of things, hitting this idiot's pocket is what is going to hurt the most. He was motivated by greed, and if money is all that he loves then.....didn't quite fit in with Leia, but you get the sentiment.

Private prosecutions are all well and good and will add to his misery by including the court fees, even if he holds his hands up, but whilst he's offering refunds the court won't entertain a claim (MCOL - Money Collection On Line is the service I believe you're referring to, Mocman, and yes, it's awesome!).

If everyone can get their money back and if this lowlife is chased out of the vintage market then I think that should be a satisfactory enough outcome and well worth your efforts, Frank. The problem is those that won't chase refunds or don't even know about this situation and it wouldn't surprise me one but if that was the majority of his sales. Regardless, that same group of people also wouldn't be involved in any legal action so he'd win out that way, as well.

[Frunkstar]

I am all for everyone that can to get a refund, but it's sadly not looking like thats the case either, remember Marty?? the guy who had the 2 tri logo fetts refused by both AFA & CAS??, well Jeff said he would refund the guy, so he sent his items back, now Jeff seems to have blocked his email & from what I gather is looking to only refund him for one rather than 2 if he even offers a refund at all, & has said to Marty that he still thinks the baggies & the figures are genuine, also that before he refunds a bean he is taking them in to UKG for inspection & authentication, whats to stop him simply swapping out the figures for 2 others that do not have touch ups?

I would love a refund myself, no way am I returning a shit load of stuff in hope I "may"get a refund & not loose both my cash & my shit baggies, all mine will be opened & loose graded assuming mine have not been touched up.

I have 3 standard non light blue fett's myself from Jeff, those 3 alone are big bucks for me.

[Michael Sith]

If what he is doing with Marty is anything to benchmark things by, the Glands attitude toward a refund, then that is utterly shameful, and is adding further insult to injury, there certainly doesn't look like any happy endings on the horizon.

[Frunkstar]

Well Marty just messaged me, he got his refund - half of what he paid.

Think you nailed it with this Mike "utterly shameful"

Marty's had to pay to have them sent to AFA & CAS so is hugely out of pocket even if he got a full refund & folks wonder why I have not returned mine, fucking joke & not even a funny one at that

[Bunglebubs]

Agreed it is a disgrace that he only offered half of what was paid, perhaps hoping that would put others off returning theirs. Maybe we should all turn up at his door together for refunds! We know what he looks like and where he lives.

I hope he never has the nerve to show up at any more toy fairs ever again if this is how he is treating everyone

[maxf]

It's all makes the original 'why would I do it, I don't need the money' seem like a crock of shit.