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Re: Response to Claims

Postby TWOFOOT » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:06 am

Well that was a long, long, long read. Looks like it was another contravercy I missed during my hiatus from the hobby.

I notice he is still selling on ebay so I'm guessing that there are many collectors (like me) who are tottally unaware of the whole incident.

I hope everyone who was owed money got a refund (but I doubt it).

I just worry about what a knock on effect this will have in the hobby in the future. For every 3 fakes sold there is probably only 1 person who knows they purchased a fake. As many collectors are not members of forums and would have no idea. And how many small collectors actually send baggies off for grading? Almost none I would guess. This leaves potentially hundreds of fake baggies in people's collections that are all like ticking time bombs. :(

Bad times for people collecting baggies. :(
This can only lead me down a dark path....... Again. Lol

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby edd_jedi » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:23 am

Yes you're right, you only have to look at Toy Toni MOCs to see the lasting effects. 5 years after the 'scandal' you not only see them for sale on eBay undisclosed, but even worse on Facebook I regularly see people incorrectly labelling any Palitoy MOC as a Toy Toni and scaring off buyers.

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby Alltooeasy » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:34 pm

Funnily enough i nearly bought a baggie off him on facebook the other day! Backed out when i read this!

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby laurencedyer » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Alltooeasy wrote:Funnily enough i nearly bought a baggie off him on facebook the other day! Backed out when i read this!


Could I ask out of curiosity which Facebook group this baggie was for sale on?

Social media was not a platform that was utilised as an outlet for sale of the item's in question with eBay being the source of his initial sales. At the time of the allegations being made the accused stated many times that he was a technofobe therfore he was unable to comment on any of the social media posts regarding the matter. He avoided answering many direct questions asked at the time that were with regards to his supply, this action assisted with his defence loosing a lot of credibility but I am in the belief that he was telling the truth regards his lack of technological know how.
Due to the niche of Star Wars, and baggie collecting specifically along with his ability to have a constant supply to the market, relationships would be built as they would in any business model with a buyer, and also a seller who often provides you with the item's you want readily available when you cannot source them elsewhere. Trust is built after several transactions so therfore requests for item's are made directly. This was the model upon which he traded successfully with for many year's to collector's worldwide.

I am not suggesting by any means that he has not offered you an item via Facebook but I am curious as to what group it was offered on as one of the major concerns after the dust had settled was that of scare mongering in the future to coin a phrase.
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Re: Response to Claims

Postby momike » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:10 am

Which group was it posted on edd?

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby edd_jedi » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:32 am

momike wrote:Which group was it posted on edd?


I can't remember to be honest, maybe Tom's own group (The Admiral's Snackbar)

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby momike » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:10 pm

Ok mate, I take it their is not much more to add or you would of said. So from what Tom derby says it looks like the sealed packs are indeed fakes

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby ldr » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:37 pm

Damn...Franks just pointed me to this thread.

Looks like my 12 back baggie run might be in question now :(

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby Mr-shifter » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:25 pm

Anything happened here recently? It’s all gone a bit quiet.
WANTED: The following speederbikes. I would like them boxed but open and complete. I need:

Meccano stickered bike
Pbp stickered bilogo
Danish stickered bilogo
Special offer uk bilogo

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby ldr » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:25 pm

Ok, as suggested here are photos of my first 12 set, all came from Jeff.

Are any of these legit? Any help would be much appreciated, thank you in advance.

C-3PO:
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Leia (this has two stamps, each a different font):
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Ben:
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DSC:
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Re: Response to Claims

Postby ldr » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:28 pm

Jawa:
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Luke:
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R2:
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Sand People:
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Chewie:
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Re: Response to Claims

Postby ldr » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:29 pm

Han:
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Stormie:
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So any good? Or are all fakes
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Re: Response to Claims

Postby momike » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:37 am

Pretty sure ukg confirmed all the pal k baggies to be fakes so doesn’t look good mate, that double sided font leia is terrible

This is the worst part about all this, collection dreams are being shattered because of this deception and imagine so many more are also blissfully unaware :(

Hope you get your money back from Jeff, keep us posted

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby wrighty » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:08 am

I bought a SW A Jawa baggie off Jeff, paid and it never arrived, he couldn't proof postage and gave me a full refund. Sorry all I can contribute. :(

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Re: Response to Claims

Postby subzero » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:21 am

This is just sad! :(

Sorry for you to hear your baggies are fake.
You don't own your toys, you only borrow them until you sell them or die!


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