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Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby Dr_Ball_MD » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:07 pm

TrisCompany wrote:I grew up playing with both, originally with Star Wars and then got into the transformer cartoons.


Same here. My girlfriend bought me an original Soundwave and Laserbeak a couple of Christmases ago, so I had to add the rest of his little friends :D

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby olisuds » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:13 pm

TrisCompany wrote:I grew up playing with both, originally with Star Wars and then got into the transformer cartoons.

Transformers are also really cool, if not better toys, as toys themselves, and there's seemingly hundreds of them with variations. Anybody collect them on here? Not sure they have the emotional connection that SW does because of the films but pretty cool.

Given the price rises in SW recently anybody tempted to start collecting Transformers as well / instead?


Have been thinking exactly the same myself recently. i also loved Transformers as a kid in the 80s. Particularly the combiners and mini vehicles. Since Star Wars prices have rocketed my interest has cooled off and i've been looking at picking up some transformers. Nothing to rare - just some of the old toys i use to have from my chilhood. The things that really put me off though are that collecting Transformers seems a lot more complicated and Re-issues and knock offs are a real nightmare. Also I enjoyed the cartoons but was never really into the films and a lot of the conversation on forums and facebook groups is really over my head.
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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby x-pack » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:00 pm

I would absolutely love a complete TF sticker album. Thinking about this yesterday - of all the toys I had or any book or sticker or game, TF stickers are the thing I remember getting a buzz out of collecting as a kid. That is saying something cos I was a spoiled little shit :lol:

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby SOJ » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:17 pm

Vintage Star Wars has always been core of my collecting habit.

However I do have what I like to call my "best of collection". It's made of of the main toys from the other lines I played with as child. There's a G1 Optimus Prime, Rhino from mask, He-Man, Battle Cat, Trap-Jaw and Skeletor, Lion-o, Stuff Puft Mashmellow Man, Ace McCloud from Centurions, some Go-bots, Battle beasts, MUSCLE men, the first 2 sets of Garbage Pail Kids etc. Loads of other bits and pieces.

At some point I'm going to set up a shelf in one of my cabinets to dedicate to this stuff.

What I do find interesting about the G1 Transformers is the apparent acceptance of repro by the majority.

Regarding the line id love to get the stunticons and Fortress Maximus, loved those 2 toys growing up.
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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby x-pack » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:27 am

SOJ wrote:Vintage Star Wars has always been core of my collecting habit.

However I do have what I like to call my "best of collection". It's made of of the main toys from the other lines I played with as child. There's a G1 Optimus Prime, Rhino from mask, He-Man, Battle Cat, Trap-Jaw and Skeletor, Lion-o, Stuff Puft Mashmellow Man, Ace McCloud from Centurions, some Go-bots, Battle beasts, MUSCLE men, the first 2 sets of Garbage Pail Kids etc. Loads of other bits and pieces.

At some point I'm going to set up a shelf in one of my cabinets to dedicate to this stuff.

What I do find interesting about the G1 Transformers is the apparent acceptance of repro by the majority.

Regarding the line id love to get the stunticons and Fortress Maximus, loved those 2 toys growing up.


That's a good idea. Might ask the guys on the forum what they would have on their A list.

Repro with transformers is a weird phenomena. Scalextric is similar. I actually follow a guy on fb who puts out repro tyres, glass, body parts etc. I can only explain this with my own view on Scalextric repro parts - I'm not precious about these things. If I need a new tyre I'm not arsed if it came from the Scalextric factory. If it looks right that'll do. As far as I know Scalextric aren't worth a great deal and people using them expect to find aftermarket parts. For this reason I'm not going out looking for old shop stock or collections just to replace a few parts on my cars.

It's not exactly the same thing I know ...or is it :o

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby tobedesu » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:57 am

Action Man is the same for repro parts, especially hands.
It seems to be controlled and made by actual collectors and enthusiasts for other collectors.
I believe these Action Man parts are made for the good of the hobby and not for deceit or commercial gain.

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby x-pack » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:35 am

tobedesu wrote:Action Man is the same for repro parts, especially hands.
It seems to be controlled and made by actual collectors and enthusiasts for other collectors.
I believe these Action Man parts are made for the good of the hobby and not for deceit or commercial gain.



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That's the argument. I believe its the difference between collectors and enthusiasts. It leads me to think that Star Wars collectors are purists. The mentality of complete originality. The only other area I can think of where this exists is in book collecting circles.

Maybe I'm wrong here but the origins of anti repro, did that start on here?

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby ODB » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:11 pm

x-pack wrote:Repro with transformers is a weird phenomena. Scalextric is similar. I actually follow a guy on fb who puts out repro tyres, glass, body parts etc. I can only explain this with my own view on Scalextric repro parts - I'm not precious about these things. If I need a new tyre I'm not arsed if it came from the Scalextric factory. If it looks right that'll do. As far as I know Scalextric aren't worth a great deal and people using them expect to find aftermarket parts. For this reason I'm not going out looking for old shop stock or collections just to replace a few parts on my cars.

It's not exactly the same thing I know ...or is it :o


Scalextric is an odd one though as the standard cars come with parts that perish and if you race them items that break. So a lot of items are reproduced not as repro but as replacements, people will still pay a premium for original parts.

GI Joe has quite a lax attitude to repro parts as well, not just the harder to find parts but stickers as well.
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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby x-pack » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:01 pm

ODB wrote:
x-pack wrote:Repro with transformers is a weird phenomena. Scalextric is similar. I actually follow a guy on fb who puts out repro tyres, glass, body parts etc. I can only explain this with my own view on Scalextric repro parts - I'm not precious about these things. If I need a new tyre I'm not arsed if it came from the Scalextric factory. If it looks right that'll do. As far as I know Scalextric aren't worth a great deal and people using them expect to find aftermarket parts. For this reason I'm not going out looking for old shop stock or collections just to replace a few parts on my cars.

It's not exactly the same thing I know ...or is it :o


Scalextric is an odd one though as the standard cars come with parts that perish and if you race them items that break. So a lot of items are reproduced not as repro but as replacements, people will still pay a premium for original parts.

GI Joe has quite a lax attitude to repro parts as well, not just the harder to find parts but stickers as well.



For the sake of argument though you could say that with some Star Wars items. In the future I wonder if people will find it acceptable to stick bubbles back on reseal style, or if bubble replacement will become acceptable as all those MOCS start to perish. It's a different thing I know what with the amount of repro weapons and boxes out there, especially when you consider that these things are still in plentiful supply. But you know, in the future things could change.

Maybe I just haven't seen them but i'm surprised repro foam for the bandolier or Yoda swamp isn't readily used and accepted. I've only had a brief dabble in Transformer collecting but can clearly see what a headache repro weapons are in that market

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby Robstyley » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:30 am

SOJ wrote:However I do have what I like to call my "best of collection". It's made of of the main toys from the other lines I played with as child. There's a G1 Optimus Prime, Rhino from mask, He-Man, Battle Cat, Trap-Jaw and Skeletor, Lion-o, Stuff Puft Mashmellow Man, Ace McCloud from Centurions, some Go-bots, Battle beasts, MUSCLE men, the first 2 sets of Garbage Pail Kids etc. Loads of other bits and pieces.


This is kind of what I've done unintentionally. Over the years I've bought various things - Optimus Prime, Eagle eyes Action Man, some A-Team and other bits and bobs and video games. All stuff I had as a kid. It's dotted around my house and cabinet and some's in storage. I should put it all together somewhere really. Always on the look out for more, got to get a couple of He-Man figures for sure.

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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby Dr_Ball_MD » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:05 pm

x-pack wrote:I would absolutely love a complete TF sticker album. Thinking about this yesterday - of all the toys I had or any book or sticker or game, TF stickers are the thing I remember getting a buzz out of collecting as a kid. That is saying something cos I was a spoiled little shit :lol:


I remember completing that album at school, used to spend all my lunch money on them!
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Re: Vintage Star Wars v G1 Transformers

Postby peekaygee73 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:48 pm

I'm pretty sure Transformers were the reason I stopped collecting SW. I have memories of buying Wicket from the local toy shop and bumping into a friend on the bus on the way home. He had just bought Bumblebee... and that was it. No more SW purchased, it was Transformers.

I know I had Soundwave (mine didn't come with Buzzsaw but came with one of the other cassettes), Starscream (I wanted one of the blue planes as I thought they looked cooler but could only find Starscream), Bumblebee, Brawn, Inferno and Bluestreak (awesome car... but couldn't find Jazz in the shop at the time!!). My brother had Soundwave (with the correct tape), Optimus Prime and Gears. I've no idea why he had fewer.

I was 12 in 1985 so growing out of toys (apparently) so I didn't get anything released in 1986 or after. Looking back at pictures of them now (and it's not easy to say this) I can see the attraction over Star Wars figures. The Transformers toys look amazing, particularly compared to the dross of the second wave of Jedi figures. As much as I loved them though, they don't have the same nostalgia or sentimental attachment as Star Wars toys.


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