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Fake Leia Pistol

Postby aussiejames » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:47 pm

So I am convinced these are fake, I would appreciate further discussion or evidence of these existing in people's collections:
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It's the blaster on the right with a distinct flat 'rectangle' on the back
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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby olisuds » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:56 am

Hey James, what makes you think it is fake otherthan being slightly different mold?
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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby aussiejames » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:22 am

I consider it a significantly different mould. There is going to be an argument about what makes anything authentic? To me it is finding example(s) sealed in a factory MOC/baggie. I and others have spent weeks checking, looking & asking- still nothing. Poor mould seam similar to other known fakes, the distinguishing feature at the back is the same as a known fake etc. Steve at UKG agrees, and I am working on getting an example to CAS & Derby.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby Awl Skulkerkey » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:54 am

Totally different mould - it's significantly wider all the way down. Also I've noticed second from left looks wider and different from the slimmer other ones in photo?
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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby x-pack » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:27 pm

Does something in the repro manufacturing process make the finished product larger I wonder? Maybe the way moulds are taken.

Are other repros larger than the originals.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby Awl Skulkerkey » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:20 pm

I imagine that a repro's mould is made initially from an original piece. So naturally the hollow of the mould will be minutely bigger in area than the original? Also any mould will give a more curvy finish and with less detail. I only know this from arts & crafts! :D
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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby aussiejames » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:45 pm

Awl Skulkerkey wrote:Totally different mould - it's significantly wider all the way down. Also I've noticed second from left looks wider and different from the slimmer other ones in photo?

Yes second from the left is the 'largest' known original mould/shape. The seven originals are examples of the seven groups/versions that one collector splits his stash into, TIG groups them in 4.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby chipsteak » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:13 am

I've bought two of these in recent times. Can I mention the eBayer who sold me them?

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby aussiejames » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:19 am

chipsteak wrote:I've bought two of these in recent times. Can I mention the eBayer who sold me them?

I see no issue with letting people know ( the 'original' source is paugildin-6 )

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby chipsteak » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:15 pm

aussiejames wrote:
chipsteak wrote:I've bought two of these in recent times. Can I mention the eBayer who sold me them?

I see no issue with letting people know ( the 'original' source is paugildin-6 )


I thought I'd hold off posting again until I entered dialog with the eBayer.

it was indeed that seller and i'm happy to say that after a polite email or two, i got a full refund on both blasters after returning them to him.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby sparkysx » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:44 am

If these are repro, then why did the 'maker' who is obviously an expert at this according to the comments from Steve at UKG, make the mould identical? why make it different? if he had made an identical mould then I don't think these ever would of been discovered.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby ScruffyLookingNH » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:51 am

sparkysx wrote:If these are repro, then why did the 'maker' who is obviously an expert at this according to the comments from Steve at UKG, make the mould identical? why make it different? if he had made an identical mould then I don't think these ever would of been discovered.


I think it's a relatively straightforward explanation: attention to detail. Even someone skilled at making molds may miss a detail or get it incorrect. Perhaps it was initially cut square and he meant to remove the corners to make it identical to the real deal and, quite simply, forgot to do so. It really could be that simple.

At the end of the day, it is the irregularities that identify fakes. If there were perfect fakes we would not know about them. I've seen some fakes that are amazing, simply made out of the wrong material so fail the old drop and float tests. But even if they had passed those tests there were other tiny, tiny details (far less obvious than these large square backs) that would have ID'd them as fake.

The real concern here is that this is so, so close. The overall chubiness and the square back give it away, but should the dick that had these made go back and invest in a new mold with these details changed then we would probably not know about it and the only tell would be the increase in availability and the drop in price of these blasters.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby edd_jedi » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:03 am

It also doesn't help that the originals are so rough themselves, but these were designed as <10p accessories to £1.49 figures, not £40 collectables :roll:

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby sparkysx » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:23 pm

I think I'd enjoy this hobby a lot more if I just sold off all of my weapons and just collected figures like I did when I was little. Never kept the weapons when I was little.

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Re: Fake Leia Pistol

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:12 pm

sparkysx wrote:I think I'd enjoy this hobby a lot more if I just sold off all of my weapons and just collected figures like I did when I was little. Never kept the weapons when I was little.

So YOU'RE responsible for the lack of vintage weapons left in the world today! Quick everyone, get him! :lol:


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