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RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby Crumm » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:22 pm

Hi all.

Have been looking into Luke Jedi MOC's but all the ones I have seen so far have a very yellowed bubble.

In fact, a great many of the RotJ carded figures have very yellowed bubbles, even in comparison to many SW and ESB ones, which technically are older?

Is there a particular reason for this that someone could shed a little light on?
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby Clarkspie&chips » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:55 pm

It's thought that Kenner must have changed the type of plastic they used from this line onwards, POTF figures are even worse.

If you're looking for clear bubble ROTJ figures then you're best bet would be to go for trilogo as they are usually still crystal clear but often come with a few dings.

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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby subzero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:24 pm

It is a shame there isn't a bubble with the best of both worlds, trilogo's nice and clear but always usually dented/crushed, single logo's nice intact bubbles but yellow as piss.

I think I only have about 3 clear bubbles out of my 15 strong collection, and even those 3 'clear' ones have the tiniest touch of yellowing.
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby retrotoyinfo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:28 pm

I think the yellow bubble on ROTJ only seems to occur on a few figures and believe this is related to the country they were made. Nearly all my ROTJ cards have clear bubbles and I have not experienced this problem. I have many different carded ROTJ figures.
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby theforceuk » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:31 pm

It’s annoying I know, I’ve thought about getting some yellow lessened sunglasses, so when I look at my collection with them on everything will look yellow and you won’t notice the yellow bubbles as much. :lol:
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:45 pm

If you haven’t listened to the Vintage Rebellion Episode 25 then do it - Grant’s oddball interview with Lee Bullock is really interesting talking about plastic degradation on a number of items including bubbles. Starts at 3:31:21. https://swtvrpodcast.podbean.com/page/2/

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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby Mini99 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:51 pm

theforceuk wrote:It’s annoying I know, I’ve thought about getting some yellow lessened sunglasses, so when I look at my collection with them on everything will look yellow and you won’t notice the yellow bubbles as much. :lol:

Well that’s one way to come to terms with the problem. :lol:

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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby retrotoyinfo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:08 pm

Just listened to that podcast, didn't have a clue what he was talking about! Far too scientific. And there is no conclusive evidence what makes them yellow and brittle. It's pretty obvious that plastic degrades over time and once it's extremely yellowed is likely to start breaking apart.
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby subzero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:33 pm

Just think, one day in the far future there will only be 1 carded figure left in the world with an original intact bubble, just 1, and then after that one degrades there'd be nothing.

Don't matter how well these things are archived, it's gonna happen.

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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby retrotoyinfo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:49 pm

subzero wrote:Just think, one day in the far future there will only be 1 carded figure left in the world with an original intact bubble, just 1, and then after that one degrades there'd be nothing.

Don't matter how well these things are archived, it's gonna happen.

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Agreed :lol: It's why AFA or whoever grading is a bit pointless, the card will never stay in the same state. Maybe they should be cryogenically frozen. "Surprisingly, plastic can perform quite well, as long the plastic products are created with cryogenic freezing in mind.", Not sure they thought about this in 1980s :lol:
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby subzero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pm

retrotoyinfo wrote:
subzero wrote:Just think, one day in the far future there will only be 1 carded figure left in the world with an original intact bubble, just 1, and then after that one degrades there'd be nothing.

Don't matter how well these things are archived, it's gonna happen.

:(


Agreed :lol: It's why AFA or whoever grading is a bit pointless, the card will never stay in the same state. Maybe they should be cryogenically frozen. "Surprisingly, plastic can perform quite well, as long the plastic products are created with cryogenic freezing in mind.", Not sure they thought about this in 1980s :lol:


That's it haha they even turn yellow and crack when in a sealed grading case, even if it was kept in a controlled environment like when collectors keep a vintage car under a bubble would only mean it's gonna degrade a lot further down the line, but it's still inevitable. :lol:
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby Crumm » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Some interesting info there, thanks all.
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby retrotoyinfo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:55 pm

It was discussed on previous topic viewtopic.php?t=24718

And here http://theswca.com/textf/bubbles.html
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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:13 pm

retrotoyinfo wrote:It was discussed on previous topic viewtopic.php?t=24718

And here http://theswca.com/textf/bubbles.html

The 2nd link is nice and informative and if I remember correctly pretty much what Lee Bullock was saying on the podcast

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Re: RotJ yellow bubbles

Postby theforceuk » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:40 pm

subzero wrote:Just think, one day in the far future there will only be 1 carded figure left in the world with an original intact bubble :(


Bloody hell, imagine how much that will sell for on Facebook. :lol:
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