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Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

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Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:33 pm

The topic of the Woolworths 8 packs and the suggestion that there are fake packs out in the market has been raised numerous times in recent years. The packs often raise suspicion with no real clarification as to what is deemed as a pack that was mentioned as questionable or one of authenticity. 

A search of every platform thought of globally was undertaken in order to compare every sample located. The sample size has two collections omitted. The omissions were due as the collections could not be analysed effectively from the images available.

Multiple anomalies were observed during the research to a point where two different styles of packs were identified and a variant of one style of pack also observed.

After research and analysis of the complete sample size identified of the Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p packs, the following comparisons have been documented for consideration. 

The different stickers & packs observed have been referred to as either Palitoy or Suspect for clarity.

There are 10 observations for consideration.

1.Price Sticker Font Comparison.
2.Price Sticker Size & Durability Comparison.
3.Bag Variations & Sticker Combination, Construction & Manufacture Quality.
4.Palitoy Created Special Offer Price Stickers
5.Special Buy offer stickers font printing methods and ink characteristics
6.Woolworths 8 Pack Population.
7.Pack Contents.
8.Figure comparison analysis.
9.Packs with baggies and their content anomalies.
10.Timeline of all 3 pack variants recording the dates that each pack were noticed from the search findings.

Observation 1.

Price Sticker Font Comparison.

The pack styles as mentioned on the introductory thread are referred to in each post as either a Palitoy or a Suspect for clarification.
Where possible I will present the comparisons of each thread laid out firstly of a Palitoy font and then of a Suspect font.

The first difference that was observed whilst undertaking this research was that of the font between the two different pack styles.

The initial difference noticed was that of the number 9's and the P from the 99p of the price label.
The centre of the Palitoy number nine seemed more oval then that of the Suspect number nine which was rounder in shape.
The P from the Pence after the number nine was also different. The Palitoy P was smaller in size than that of the P on the Suspect pack.

This image is of the Palitoy and Suspect label side by side.

From this image you can see the 9 & P from the Palitoy label on the left has a more oval centre and the P is smaller in size. The Suspect label on the right has a rounder centre and as you can see has a bigger letter P.

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The next observation that was made was that the Palitoy label had two different print layouts.


The variation to the label was the layout of the text itself. The S from the word STAR and the F from the word FIGURES are positioned differently.
It was also noticed that both of the Palitoy variant of label had a thicker font to that of the Suspect label. For clarity when the fonts are referred to as a Thick font this is referring to both Palitoy label fonts and if the font is referenced to as Thin font this is referring to the Suspect font.

These two styles of print have been termed as Offset and Inline due to the positioning of the F in Figures to the S in Star.

This image shows the positioning of the letters for the Offset label.

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This image shows the positioning of the letters for the Inline label.

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The next image shows 4 examples together of the Palitoy created labels. The top two empty bags are both of the Offset variant and the bottom two are of the Inline variant as highlighted on this image.

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With three variants of font identified, two being considered of a Palitoy created label and one of Suspect created label a simple test was conducted by digitally overlaying the different font styles with each other.

The test was conducted by trying to line up all the different words with nothing on the Thick or Thin fonts lining up at all.

The next two images show the thick font vs thin font results. As you can see the text does not line up at all based on either the sticker size (image 1) or the text itself (image 2.) This shows that the fonts and font sizes are different.

Overlay test 1. Sticker.

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Overlay test 2. Text.

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The next two Images, Overlay test three and four show that if you overlay the Palitoy label genuine thick font figure and playset stickers from other Special Buy items, although the content is different, both the 'special buy' and '99p' line up perfectly showing it is the same font and font size.

Overlay test 3. Special Buy.

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Overlay test 4. 99p.

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Palitoy label used for both the Overlay tests 1 & 2 & also for the Overlay tests 3 & 4.

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Suspect label used for the Overlay tests 1 & 2.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:16 am

Hoth playset Special Buy Sticker used for Overlay test 3 and 4.

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Font identity.

With the results of the thick font vs thin font Overlay test demonstrating that the text does not line up at all based on either the sticker size or the text itself and that the fonts and font sizes are different both the Palitoy and Suspect fonts were next determined.

The next Image is of the fonts that were used between the two packs.

The Palitoy is on the left and Suspect is on the right. Both packs use the same typeface although the suspect is notably different due to the poor replication it actually appears thinner. It has been confirmed by an expert in printing that although the appearance looks different the Suspect is of the same font. The only font difference is that of the 99p as labelled on the image.

The style of the fonts to the two labels have been replicated with ease as demonstrated.

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Font Ink comparison.

The Ink of each label was observed for both the Palitoy label and the Suspect label.

The next image compares the Special Buy form the top of the label of the Palitoy labels ink above that of the Suspect labels ink.
The Palitoy ink has a thicker finish to the edges of the letters & numbers with Ink build up present which is clear to see.
This ink build up can be demonstrated by comparing both label finishes to the letter B from Buy.
This comparison of the finish to the letters can also be easily noticed from the straight edges of the letters. The Palitoy edges are not straight where as the Suspect is defined with straight edges.

This different print of the inks.

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This bumpy and straight edge finish of the letters is demonstrated this with the side edge of the ‘A’ having a bumpy finish for the Palitoy ink and a straight edge from the Suspect ink on the next two images.
The inner corner of the triangle of the ‘A’, the Vertex is also a good example of the ink finish as the ink finish does not give the vertex straight precise corners to the Palitoy ink whereas the Suspect has.

Palitoy A Ink.

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Suspect A Ink.

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The next images shows the comparison of the word FOR. The Palitoy Ink can be seen to have bled during its printing process with the Suspect Ink not showing the same characteristic.

Palitoy print showing bleed

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Suspect print

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:54 am

Observation 2.

Price Sticker Size & Durability Comparison.


The next observations to compare are that of the Special Price sticker itself.

This Image is of the Suspect label laid on top of the Palitoy label. As you will see they are not the same size.

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The width of the Palitoy label has been measured on 5 different examples. The sample size of the Palitoy examples used for this comparison is 3 x Inline labels & 2 x Offset labels.
For clarity, the sample size of 2 Offset labels in lieu of 3 as the other two variations was due to access.

The 5 labels all measured the same width. This measurement recorded is 76mm.
The first example was measured by myself with four independent measurements and images to confirm the measurements provided by independent collectors.

Palitoy label width.

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Magnified start of measurement

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Magnified end of measurement

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The width of the Suspect label has been measured on 3 different examples.

The 3 labels measured the same width. This measurement recorded is 74mm.
The first example was measured by myself with two independent measurements taken and confirmed. Images to confirm the measurements of one were provided for documentation whilst the other confirmation was verbally given.

Suspect label width.

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Magnified start of measurement

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Magnified end of measurement

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Palitoy the Imperial force.

A valuable point to offer for consideration regarding the Palitoy created label is that of the change to the 'Metric System'.

It was bought to my attention from a collector of Action Man that Palitoy used imperial measurements.
In the AM collecting community reproduced items are accepted. He offered me an example regarding an item. The item was an eye glass.
The eye glass had several attempts by different collectors to be reproduce and each attempt was incorrect. The unsuccessful attempts had used 12 mm and 13 mm as the measurements for the reproduction. He made several attempts from 12.1 mm to 12.7 mm until he managed to succeed.
For your reference the conversion from inches to millimetres is often accepted as 25 mm. The actual conversion is 1 inch equates to 25.4 mm.
The eye glass had been created at a size of half an inch hence the inability to duplicate this item correctly using the metric measurements.

The relevance of this information is to offer for your consideration that imperial measurements had been used by Palitoy at this time.
The Palitoy sticker measurements recorded and offered have been documented at 76 mm. Although all of the research and measurements recorded during the research have been undertaken in metric measurements it is now believed that the labels were created at a size of 3 inches.
3 inches converts to 76.2 mm.

Greater magnification of the end photo of a Palitoy label demonstrating that the width is marginally wider than the 76mm previously recorded.

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A further comparison to the labels has been observed which is that of the colour to the reverse of the labels.
The Palitoy label has a yellow colour to the rear. The Suspect label has a white colour to the rear.


The Palitoy label is the one to the left of the image (identified by the 'P') which has had the Suspect label (identified by the S) placed on top for the comparison.

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Image of the Palitoy label reverse which can be seen in a yellow colour

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:27 am

Image of the Suspect label reverse which can be seen in a whiter colour

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A further comparison of the Palitoy and Suspect packs can also be observed from the glue residue.

The Palitoy label shows a dirt line where the edge of the label has been peeled back.

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Dirt line magnified

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This image is of a further Palitoy example which has the same characteristics of a dirt line to the glue residue.

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The Suspect bag can be observed with a glue residue line. This line is free of a dirt build up.

You will notice that the three arrows at the top of the image all point to the residue line and a further arrow points to the sticker itself.
The arrow at the bottom is pointing to wear to the label itself which is the comparison that follows.

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Magnified image of the Suspect label.

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image of the Suspect label folded back image

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The final comparisons of the labels are that of the durability and wear to the ink used and also that of the material used for the label itself.

This image I have shows the Palitoy label to the left with the Suspect label to the right.
This shows the difference of the prints durability and also the durability of the material used for both the Palitoy label compared to the Suspect label.

The image has been marked with red circles and blue arrows.
The red circles are pointing out areas of wear to the ink.
The blue arrows are pointing out areas of wear to the material of the labels.

The ratio of red circles between the two label types demonstrates that after more than 30 years the Palitoy labels ink still retains a good finish with no areas of obvious or heavy wear.
The Suspect labels ink has worn in areas. This wear is observed were the label has been creased.
The durability of the ink to the Palitoy label and the ease of the inks wear to the Suspect label can be observed frequently.

The ratio of blue arrows also demonstrates the difference between the durability of the material used for both packs label. Not every piece of wear has been pointed out but has given a fair sample for consideration.

The red arrow on the image from the previous observation (3 images above) regarding the lack of a dirt line to the Suspect labels glue residue, this additional arrow was pointing to a point of the Suspect label that appears to be stressed due to the creasing and possibly torn
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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:50 am

Observation 3.

Bag Variations & Sticker Combination, Construction & Manufacture Quality.

The outer bag construction is the third observation to consider.

It has been observed that there are three different bag variations.
Two of the bags are considered as being a Palitoy creation & one bag being considered that of a Suspect creation.

The top two bags in the first image are that of a folded seal to the bottom edge.
The bottom two bags are that of a heat sealed finish to the bottom edge.
The heat sealed bags are in tandem with the Inline font price stickers as you can see from the images.
The folded seal bags are in tandem with the Offset font price stickers.


All of the Palitoy created packs identified in the search have been studied to confirm the theory of these two Palitoy combinations with no exception.

For clarification all of the packs that both the bottom seal and the price sticker combinations were able to be identified conformed to this rule. Several pack combinations could not be identified from the images from the search and there was also a few packs that the collectors from the search were unable to access for a medium period of time.

The Palitoy created pack combinations have been observed 8 times with the Heat Seal / Inline style and 6 times with the Folded Seal / Offset style bags.

From this point on for documentation purposes the different Palitoy sticker & bag combinations will be referred to as either a Heat Sealed / Inline variant or a Folded seal / Offset variant.

The Suspect bag and font combination appears to have been created to that of the Folded / Offset style.

The four Palitoy created outer bags in the images demonstrate the two combination.

The top two bags are that of a Fold Seal / Offset. The bottom two are that of a Heat Seal / Inline.

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The two Palitoy font variants as marked.

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The observations made of the construction between the Palitoy and Suspect outer bags are the next comparisons to consider.

This image is that of a Suspect bag on the left with a Heat Sealed / Inline Font bag to the right.

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The following image is of the bottom corner of a Suspect bag above a Palitoy Heat sealed bag.

The Suspect bag is the top bag and the Palitoy bag is the bottom bag.

Observe that the edge to the Suspect bag appears to be jagged slightly.

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This next image is of a Palitoy Folded seal bag for clarity as the Palitoy bag imaged for comparison with the Suspect is that of a heat seal.


For clarification, this outer bag has been observed with an empty baggie inside. This baggie is that of the Leia Poncho that came with the Endor Chase Playpack and has been observed in the 8 packs.

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Palitoy Fold Seal corner image (includes corner of baggie to photo, as above)

The bag has been imaged in an upright position with the fold seal to the bottom.

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Suspect corner image.

The bag has been imaged in an upright position with the fold seal to the bottom.

A difference in construction between the Palitoy bag and Suspect bag can be observed with the side seal. The difference in the finish has been highlighted by the shadow from the light on this image. The seal to the side appears serrated.

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Palitoy bag side image.

The side seals can be observed to be well defined and sharp in the finish of their manufacture. These side finishes are similar to the seal at the bottom of the bag.

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Suspect bag side image

The side seal can be observed to be rugged and jagged with the finish of their manufacture. These side finishes are exaggerated by the shadow from the light. The exaggeration of the shadow does give you thought for consideration.

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The sharp and defined side finish to the Palitoy bag can be observed clearly with a side image.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:28 am

The serrated side finish to the Suspect bag can be observed clearly with a side image.

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The same poor style of finish can be observed with this image from a sealed Suspect bag.

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The difference in the thickness and the durability to the plastic of the Palitoy and Suspect bags when comparing them side by side should be considered.

The comparisons between the plastic is hard to capture through a camera and demonstrate through pictures.
The side by side pictures are attempting to show a difference of the thickness with the Palitoy bag being harder to see through with a murkier look and the Suspect being easier to see through. The images showing the open end hopefully show a difference in the thickness of the plastic.

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The difference in the thickness and the durability to the plastic of the Palitoy and Suspect bags can be compared from observing the next four images.

This image is of a Palitoy bag that has presumably been torn open when originally purchased to get at the figures. Due to the thickness of the Palitoy created bag, the plastic where the bag has been torn open at the area it would have originally been taped up has formed a raised edge and has surprisingly held its shape for this long.

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The next 3 images are of a Suspect bag. These images demonstrates that the plastic has far less durability than that of the Palitoy bag due to the bag having numerous holes to it. These holes have presumably been created from the contents.
This can be seen both above and below the price label as pointed out.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:43 am

Observation 4.

Palitoy Created Special Offer Price Stickers

To support the claim that the "Palitoy applied sticker" being of genuine creation by Palitoy and that the "Suspect sticker" of being created at a later point in time and not of creation by Palitoy, numerous other "Special Buy" sticker items have been observed.

The sample of the stickers has been taken from numerous sources including Facebook Groups, Forums and auctions such as eBay & Vectis.

The observation made from all of the images found has been that the font style matches that of the "Palitoy applied Sticker". The easiest way to identify these are by simply looking at the number 9's and the shape of the centre.

No Suspect font style has been identified as of yet on any other Star Wars items whether it be a Mini Rig, Beast or Vehicle, POTF Playpack or items like a Plush Ewok. The "Suspect Font" has only been observed on the "Suspect Woolworths Pack's".

A small sample of example are presented for your observation.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:53 am

Observation 5.

Other Palitoy Special Buy Sicker Font / Ink


Further to the observations in the previous post (observations 4) regarding the Suspect Font not being noticed on any other Special Buy Offer Sticker, samples of other palitoy Special Buy offer stickers font printing methods and ink characteristics were observed.

The 2 sets of image's below are of a Speeder Bike a Radar Laser Canon.

You will observe that both examples have similar characteristics to both Palitoy stickers and none share any characteristics of the Suspect sticker.

Palitoy font left / Suspect font right

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Trilogo Radar Laser Cannon

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Speeder Bike

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:33 am

Observation 6

Woolworths 8 Pack research data.

When the research was first undertaken a search for all the packs available on all platforms that could be thought of to create a population report was conducted in order to complete a comprehensive comparison.

The four forums, Star Wars Forum UK, Rebel Scum, The Imperial Gunnery & Tantive XI where thoroughly searched. Vectis past sales, eBay, Worthpoint for past eBay sales and the SWCA were also searched. Every Facebook Group thought of including the pages of Nine Holy Grails, CAS, The Vintage Rebellion, Farthest From as well as reaching out to collectors was also searched to create the population.

The total population of Woolworth’s packs that was documented excluding the items of 2 collectors totalled 47.

The documented quantity of Palitoy created packs totalled 33 and the documented quantity of Suspect packs totalled 14.

The Palitoy packs were observed in all nature of states, i.e. empty bag’s, moc up displays, opened or sealed. The breakdown of the packs are, 13 empty bags, 9 open packs, 3 sealed, 1 resealed, 4 were duplicated & 3 sealed packs were observed on RS during the Billy Boy era. For this reason the RS packs have been documented but excluded from any analysis. There are two open bags on RS that have been included into the data of 9 open packs.

The total of Palitoy packs with contents for comparison purposes is 13. The 13 packs consist of the 9 open, 3 sealed and 1 resealed for comparison.

The 14 Suspect packs are all sealed. There is one item that is duplicated twice, so excluding this item gives us a total observed sample of 12 packs for comparison purposes.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:57 am

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:06 am

Observation 7.

Pack baggie Contents.

The baggie contents of the packs were observed and after studying all of the images of both the Palitoy created pack's and the Suspect packs, the loose figures and baggie ratios were documented. The majority of the contents could be identified but as stated on previous observation posts this data came from studying the images available. The following data becomes amended slightly on the 9th observation due to the reasons just stated. This in regards to the baggie content of the Suspect packs

The Suspect packs from the 12 located packs identified only 3 baggies. All three were present in one pack. That is a 3.125% ratio of baggies to loose.

The Palitoy packs had 48 baggies observed which is a 46.15% ratio of bagged figures to loose. There were however 11 figure that could not be determined as bagged or loose.

If you remove the 11 figures that I could not determine whether bagged or not, this becomes 51.61%.

For clarification purposes, the baggie classifications from the Palitoy created packs were also documented as displayed below.

Baggie / Volume


Palitoy a 10

Palitoy f 1

Palitoy g 1

Palitoy i 21

Palitoy k 4

Palitoy n 2

Palitoy q 1

Palitoy U 2

Endor Chase Bag (Leia Poncho) 2

ESB-d 1

ROTJ-e 1

ROTJ-h 2

Unsure if bagged 11

Loose 45

Total 104.

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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:11 am

Observation 8.

Figure comparison analysis.

The statistics below are the individual figure numbers identified from studying both types of packs.

There are many observations to consider.

The Suspect Packs have not been observed with any Vader's, however there are 4 in the Palitoy packs. All of the Vaders are in baggies, 3 x palitoy K and 1 x Palitoy F.

Leia Endor has been observed 5 times in the Palitoy packs and not once in the Suspect packs. 4 of the Leia's were seen in baggies, 2 x The Endor Chase baggie that is specific to the figure & Twice in a Palitoy i with one being loose. It was also observed that one of the empty bags also had a Leia - Endor Chase empty baggie observed inside of it.

The suspect packs have been observed 4 times with a Jawa in the contents but this figure has not yet been observed in the Palitoy packs.

One interesting observation is that the ratio for 77 back figures is far higher for the Palitoys than that of the Suspect.

Palitoy Label v's Suspect Label

Release of Figure / Palitoy Label / Suspect Label

First 12

Luke Farmboy 0 1
Ben Kenobi 1 1
C3P0 0 0
R2D2 0 0
Leia Organa 1 1
Sandperson 0 0
Vader 4 0
DSC 0 2
Han Solo 0 0
Chewbacca 4 2
Jawa 0 4
Stormtrooper 3 1

Total 13 12

21 backs


Power Droid 0 1
DSD 0 2
R5D4 3 0
Hammerhead 1 4
Walrus Man 1 1
Greedo 0 1
Snaggletooth 0 1
LXW 1 4
Boba Fett 3 4

Total 9 18

32 backs


IG88 0 1
Boosk 0 0
Han Hoth 1 0
Luke Bespin 0 0
Leia Bespin 0 0
FX7 2 2
Hoth Stormtrooper 2 0
Hoth Rebel Soldier 1 0
Lando Calrission 0 1
WBG 1 0
Yoda 0 0

Total 7 4

45 backs


Cloud Car Pilot 2 0
BBG 0 0
AT AT Commander 1 4
Luke Hoth 0 0
C3P0 RL (in lieu of C3PO) 1 3
R2D2 Sensorscope (in lieu of R2D2) 3 0
Hoth Rebel Commander 1 0
Lobot 1 2
Han Bespin 1 1
21-b 2 0
Imperial Commander 0 2
AT AT Driver 1 0
Dengar 2 0
Leia Hoth 4 0
Ugnaught 0 0

Total 19 12

65 backs

Weequay 2 3
Ree Yees 0 2
General Madine 0 6
Lando Calrissian Skiff 2 0
Biker Scout 1 0
Bib Fortuna 0 0
Rebel Commando 1 2
Gamorrean Guard 1 2
Logray 1 0
Chief Chirpa 3 0
Admiral Ackbar 0 3
Nien Numb 0 5
Luke Jedi 4 3
Leia Boushh 3 1
Squid Head 2 2
ERG 0 1
Klaatu 1 0
Zuckuss 0 0
4-Lom 2 3
Tie Fighter Pilot 0 0

Total 23 33

77 backs


B Wing Pilot 0 0
Han Trench 1 1
8D8 4 0
Prune Face 2 3
Leia Poncho 5 0
Klaatu Skiff 3 2
Wicket 2 0
Bib Fortuna 0 0
Rancor Keeper 0 0
AT ST Driver 3 0
The Emperor 2 1
Nikto 4 3
Teebo 1 2

Total 27 13

Last 17

EV9D9 0 1
R2D2 POP UP 0 0
Han Carbonite 0 0
Warok 0 0
Imperial Dignitary 0 0
Romba 0 1
Barada 0 0
Lando General 0 0
Anakin 1 1
Luke Stormtrooper Disguise 0 0
Imperial Gunner 0 0
Luke Poncho 1 0
A-Wing Pilot 0 1
Paploo 0 1
Amanaman 0 0
Lumat 0 0
Yak Face 0 0

Total 2 5

Unsure 4 2

Total / 104 / 96
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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:15 am

Observation 9.

Suspect packs with baggies and their content anomalies.

Before you observe the anomalies that have been identified I will clarify a couple of details regarding the text printed on some classifications of baggies.

The Chewbacca is in a Palitoy - a baggie. The characteristics of a Palitoy - a baggie are that it is a crisp tape sealed bag with light blue text printed horizontal. A characteristic of the Palitoy baggies that differs to the majority of other baggies is that the text is printed uside down as highlighted in the red box.

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The Death Star Droid is in a Palitoy - k baggie. The characteristics of a Palitoy - k baggie are that it is soft heat sealed bag with black vertical text

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The C3P0 is in a Kenner ESB - c baggie. The characteristic of a ESB -c are that it is a crisp tape sealed bag with Kenner written horizontally above made in Hong Kong printed horizontally in a light blue text.

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Palitoy horizontal positioned text baggies have the position of the text upside down.

As I mentioned on the post entitled 'Observation 7', I documented that there were only 3 baggies observed in one of the 12 suspect packs that was documented in the search when the research was undertaken. The Suspect pack with baggies included in its contents was hard to see from his photos. This pack actually has all 8 figures in baggies. The 12 Suspect pack sample offering a 96 figure sample with 93 loose and 3 bagged is incorrect. This data stands corrected at 88 loose and 8 bagged for the suspect data.

The following observations came as a result from a post of a member of a collecting platform.

The OP concludes that his Jawa is a Kenner ESB – C with the Kenner font removed. It would appear that the amendment was done to deceive and pass it off as a Palitoy baggie which it had previously succeeded in doing so. This of course is purely speculation with no foundation as is the authenticity of the Suspect packs, hence the name I have used for that variants of packs.

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Baggies with an anomaly regarding the text have now also been noticed from one of the two collections that have been omitted from the research.

The following are the observation from the baggies that are visible to classify in the pictures.

There are 3 additional Suspect packs that have baggies that look like they are Kenner classified baggies and appear to have had their font tampered with in a similar way to the pack of the OP mentioned above.

The first pack has an AT-ST Driver and Weequay that are not what they seem to be.

The AT ST is in a ROTJ – C baggie and the Weequay is in a ESB – D baggie.
Both appear to have had the Kenner text removed.

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From my knowledge the AT ST is documented in 2 baggie types. They are ROTJ c & h.

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The Weequay has 5 known class's.
They are Palitoy b & n, Euro a / Meccano red sticker, ESB d & h.


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The second pack has two baggies that appear to have been altered.
They are a Klaatu Skiff ESB – D & a Teebo ROTJ – C with the Kenner removed from the baggies.


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Re:Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

Postby laurencedyer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:55 am

Klaatu Skiff has 3 styles.
Palitoy a, Euro a / Meccano red sticker & ESB d


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Teebo has 3 styles
They are Palitoy a, ROTJ c & h.


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The third pack has numerous anomalies regarding the contents.

I was able to document the baggie class information believed to be the contents from the owner from a post on a collectors platform. They are as follows.


Vader Euro C made in Macau.
Squid head Pal K
Boba Fett Pal A
Biker scout ROTJ A
Ackbar pal b
Leia boush ROTJ A
Han trench coat ROTJ J
Wicket Pal B

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The following information should be considered. This information is of cause speculation I must add.

The Vader baggie is that found in the Clipper Mailer boxes and are common to find. The Clipper Vader baggie is not in keeping with Palitoy or the packs.

Squid is a baggie type (k). Quantities of Palitoy K baggies have already been confirmed as not authentic.

Boba Fett is a baggie that is questionable. The baggie is too wide and it is likely a bag from an Emperor.

Biker Scout ROTJ – a baggie class that is common to find.

Ackbar Pal – b is mailer box baggie that is common to find.

Leia Boush ROTJ –a common to find.

Han Trench ROTJ –a common to find.

Wicket is documented as a Palitoy b. It is hard to see what baggie he is although there is enough text to make the following observation. The letter M from Made is in an upright position as are Kenner baggies and not Palitoy as previously stated. I would suggest that this is an ESB – C with the Kenner font removed rather than a Palitoy.

Wicket can be found in 3 baggie types.
They are Palitoy a, ESB c, ROTJ h


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After studying the images of the baggies from the complete sample of Palitoy created packs documented, not one Palitoy sealed baggie can be observed as having the text positioned in an upright position. I will point out that most Palitoy - i open baggies from all of the open 8 packs can be observed with the text positioned upright. I would suggest the collectors would have put the figures back that way as I did before I was advised differently with one of my own Palitoy - i open baggies.

The alteration of the Kenner font on these baggies is not a procedure that Palitoy would have performed before they packed the bags in order to supply Woolworths for the clearance sales.

This anomoly has not been observed in the Paltoy created packs and only in the Suspect packs.
The altered baggies are not observed in the baggie collecting community or the open market either which also compounds that these seem to have been amended.
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