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So are all collectors the same?

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Taffius » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:31 pm

So basically, does it make you anyless of a collector than the next when you collect this way?

Great thread Lee. I think there will always be a element of "snobbery" when in herds. Luckily, the majority I see here are quite open to anything related to SW. Sub groups will form naturally and whatever bucket your put into, I just try to go with the flow and accept whatever someones beef is, thats their issue. Mutual respect should endure but differences get set.

I could gain a huge collection in a short space of time if I threw every bit of money I had, all in. But, I have had more fun learning about a purchase than its monetry value. Whilst I am still within a collection development phase, I am cautious to buy expensive items because I havent the knowledge yet to determine a true value or originality.

I could see your activities as a great method of learning and development. I can also see why perhaps a purist or one with with his own idea of ethics might see things differently. Let them look down while your too busy getting displays ready. Whatever they claim, just absorb it as one (their) opinion and carry on.

I am on the fence with reseals as one day I could envisage being scammed by accident and deem the experience a waste of money if I wanted it as original. But what you do is your part of a diverse hobby. Each to their own I say!
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby TK-7785 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:35 pm

edd_jedi wrote:It depends on your definition of collector. To some people it is spending obscene amounts of money on readily available items. I don't really consider that collecting personally, it's no different from walking in to Burberry and buying an expensive handbag.

To me collecting is learning, being patient, putting in effort, turning up unusual and rare things, and buying wisely enough to make a bit of profit when you come to sell.


Amen, Edd! I've always considered a more accurate description for those types of people as people who acquire more than collect. Having the kind of money and attitude that means you can pickup almost anything with speed and ease must suck the soul out of it. Which explains why many of the "high roller" types seem to peak and then offload their "collections" in relatively short amounts of time. The hunt is most of the fun.
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Survival kit Chris » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:43 am

Why would anyone give a dam as to how others categorise you in regards to your collecting habits . I collect for me myself and I. I don’t collect reseals or beaters only sealed items in good condition. If someone else collects reseals and they are happy then good for them .

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Sundancer Squadron » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:07 am

The sad mentality of a vast number of collectors that look down on others is nothing new and certainly not just within the SW collecting world for sure. I experienced this within militeria fraternity over the past 20 years, even wargaming and figure painting. I have have recently got back into the game, this time being apart of a forum (kept to myself before) and so far I have got just as much enjoyment from learning as i have with collecting. Having said that, i'm just as happy buying none mint lose figures as I am finding the near mint stuff that I still feel is plentiful.

One thing I have noticed, is that those that are genuinely interested in collecting tend to become very knowledgeable on minute details that are often overlooked or completely ignored by some big high end snotty type hoarders? Its not just collectors though (ill use this term loosely here) but some venders/retailers too.

Since coming back to the scene though and finding SWF, I have seen and and experienced some pleasant interactions with others here and this is important in making the hobby a good place to be in general, it also makes it less intimidating to those that want to dip their toes into collecting too. Its also good to see a number of you all going out of your way to assist others as well as making attempts to advise them of the vast amount of fakes and shoddy fraudulent activities of a select few within the community. I wont dwell on that to much, thets just increase all that is good to outnumber what is bad and the collecting world will be better for all in general.

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:02 am

I think the great thing about us humans is that we like different things: we like different foods, different women, different hobbies and different things to collect. Wouldn’t the world be a dull place if we all liked the same things?

As a collector I collect what makes me happy and what I can afford; of course I have my own opinions on what others collect but I enjoy seeing diverse collections and seeing what makes others happy.

I couldn’t for example imagine spending £1,200 on a rare sausage and beans label because I have no personal attachment to it and I don’t feel it is value for money for me personally, but I know it will mean the world to another collector; or spending $40,000 on a Sears Canada 12 pack GDE box only, as I couldn’t afford to spend that much, or see value in spending that much on cardboard, though I think it’s a lovely piece and take enjoyment in knowing I have had the chance to see it.

I love seeing rare (and often) valuable pieces (pieces I might hasten to add I’ll never be able to afford in my collection) but I also get enjoyment and inspiration from seeing how others are able to collect great pieces on a limited budget and how to make the most amazing displays from a beater run.

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Scarifpacific » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:31 pm

From what I’ve read on here, really sums up what the forum is as a collective. It comes down to decency and being respectful of what we collect and what others have. I love seeing what other people have found and for them to share that is even better.
I too have heard and read comments by a small minority of collectors regarding “How much there’s is worth compared to another’s!” Or “Mines a better grade that that” etc. Mostly on Facebook I’m afraid.
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby SAVORY100 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:51 pm

Really interesting question Lee

I remember distinctly being a bit embarrassed when I was asked to go on The Vintage Rebellion Podcast a year or so ago as I thought my collection was too small and insignificant to be discussed/featured. I guess we are all at times a little humble actually, despite limelighting and showcasing what we pick-up or how we display things etc. I was genuinely shocked and embarrassed when I sent over a little video clip of my room and in response on the episode, Rich described it as a top collection... maybe we should all sit back and appreciate what we have a bit more and not look at others with so much envy and be proud of what we have.... lesson learnt right there for me.

There are of course some crazy collections out there that most of us will never emulate, even with a major lottery win they couldn't be bought, the old school US pre-production pioneers, the early 90's completists... they really are untouchable, they collected and accumulated at a time when monetary values were so disconnected from today's madness and the items they have in swap will be more than some of our entire collection are worth.... a lot of that is just down to timing, a lot though is like collecting today, down to learning, hard work, networking and friendships.

That's the key to collecting for me; learning, hard work, networking and friendship, not what you've got and how much it cost or is worth.
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Wreck-It Ralph » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:18 am

_Lee_ wrote:Ive been thinking about this for a bit, and it really does make a good point of discussion. In my past I have come across certain collectors who look down upon others for collecting on a budget. I remember someone saying to me a good few years back that someone he knew had stated that he wasn't a 'proper' Palitoy collector because he didn't have a set of the first 12 sealed. A very harsh judgement to make I thought, but also one that I would think very few would agree with.

So basically, does it make you anyless of a collector than the next when you collect this way?


Personally I think any one that thinks you are not a collector unless you have certain items does not understand collecting. I myself have experienced something similar to this in that I have been called an investor, unfortunately there are individuals in all walks of life including people on this forum that feel the need to label and ridicule individuals for their own self importance and gratification, these people should be avoided as life is more interesting without them!
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby subzero » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:26 am

I was actually half thinking about starting a new post about my experience on facebook but this topic seems suited for me to post it here...

It really bugs me how there's such a huge difference in collecting communities across different platforms, iv'e been a member on here now coming up to a year and a half and is actually the very first collector site of any kind iv'e ever joined, the community and the people on here is great and it's something that's made me want to stay. Whenever I collect something of interest, it don't matter if it's rare or expensive, extremely cheap or just outright quirky and obscure, Star Wars or not, I can show it on this forum and people here appreciate it, they appreciate it's historical value, it's condition, are genuinely fascinated by it and then actual meaningful discussions about the piece might follow, including how it also somehow played a part in their childhood too, and I find that stuff really interesting to hear how the thing that I loved also affected others. Nothing is ever mentioned about how much the item cost, unless of course it's relevant to why the OP is sharing it such as a problem with the item etc, but money is always the last thing on collectors minds here, they're just happy to have experienced someone sharing the vintage item with them and the fact that they got to see it....

Enter facebook :lol: I joined a MOTU collectors page not long back in the hope that I might find a couple of pieces eventually come up for sale that I was after, but eventually I tried to be more active with the community there and share some of my collection, after posting a picture of my Skeletor MOC to share with them I was met with the following responses... #LIFEGOALS, a 'bag of cash' emoji repeated 6 times, and a GIF image of Kim Kardashian flicking money out of her hand from a stack ( not joking ). Yet not a single mention of how nice condition it is or any kind of 'congratulation' about being able to find it, and then there's the amount of times iv'e seen people share something they've acquired where someone has commented and asked what they paid for it, like as if value and rarity is the only thing they're interested in.

If people wanna be that way then fine be like it if that's what makes them happy, it just annoys me a bit how different sites attract different people, it seems Facebook just attracts people with a kind of herd mentality where they just choose to follow the behaviour of everyone else on there, and all the others who don't act that way i'm guessing leave because of it, leaving only the sheeple on there. And i'm close to leaving this group myself very shortly after only several weeks because of the childish mentality and competition mindset that it breeds. I also remember my extremely brief time with Echo Base last year ( about 2 days long :lol: ) where somebody posted up a comment mentioning about their difficulty in not being able to find a VCJ for their collection for the right price these days, and some dickhead replied to it with "just gonna leave this here" along with an image of about 3 or 4 VCJ's, 2 of which were carded. What a way to fucking show off to someone with "hey look at me, I have all these and you don't har har har", and I even remember someone replying to his picture asking "omg are you a Bond villain or something how did you afford all those?"

Facebook seriously is cancer!

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby peekaygee73 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:11 pm

There are three types of collector:

The low-end collector;
The high-end collector;
The bell-end collector.

The first two co-exist harmoniously, it's only when the third is involved that problems begin. :wink:

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby subzero » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:49 pm

peekaygee73 wrote:There are three types of collector:

The low-end collector;
The high-end collector;
The bell-end collector.

The first two co-exist harmoniously, it's only when the third is involved that problems begin. :wink:


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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby pmsbull » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:04 pm

With every person that forgets about collecting and goes for investing, the hobby dies a little.

The stuff I hold dearest is the items that have a personal connection in some way - a cool in the wild find, or a special memory, an event or occasion attached to them - and more often that not, these are in the cheaper end of my collection.
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Wreck-It Ralph » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:07 pm

theforceuk wrote:I don't understand 'your not a proper collector'. If your human and actively collect something then your a collector.


Not if your concerned with future values then you cease to be a collector and become an investor, you are also not human more cyborg, similar to a Terminator!
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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:28 pm

peekaygee73 wrote:There are three types of collector:

The low-end collector;
The high-end collector;
The bell-end collector.

The first two co-exist harmoniously, it's only when the third is involved that problems begin. :wink:

Love it! :lol:

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Re: So are all collectors the same?

Postby lejackal » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:40 pm

Wreck-It Ralph wrote:
theforceuk wrote:I don't understand 'your not a proper collector'. If your human and actively collect something then your a collector.


Not if your concerned with future values then you cease to be a collector and become an investor, you are also not human more cyborg, similar to a Terminator!

Not sure if this is an opinion or a confession :wink: :lol:


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