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Non Kenner Baggie basic Guide

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Non Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:03 pm

Please bear in mind that the below rough guide is all my opinion only & put together from many years of cross referencing the baggies I have added to my own collection & had the opportunity to inspect closely.

All are Heat Sealed unless otherwise stated.

PLEASE NOTE VERY IMPORTANT - ALL BAGGIE DESIGNATIONS (BAGGIE TYPES) ARE LISTED ABOVE THE IMAGE ON THIS SUB GUIDE RATHER THAN BELOW LIKE THEY ARE ON THE MAIN GUIDE, yes a huge oversight on my part, but trying to edit it is now pretty much impossible due to no photos showing when editing, just code & text.


Palitoy-a (Tape sealed) small light blue horizontal text/font - Crisp

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Palitoy-b - small light blue Horizontal text/font – Crisp (Heat sealed)

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Palitoy-c - Dark Blue or Purple Horizontal text/font – Soft

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Palitoy-d RECLASSIFICATION DUE TO NEW EVIDENCE 10/9/15, Different baggie type now allocated as Palitoy-d after discovering that the Palitoy-k baggie (below) was in fact produced through the full life of the toy line rather than just in the SW wars era, so the previously thought to be Palitoy-d (Black sharp edge thin font large letters), is in fact a Palitoy-k - sorry I know this reshuffles things a bit, but hey ho, this is how we learn - from experience & doing our homework, funny how finding one little missing link can throw things out so much, but it started a deductive line of reasoning which has led me to the point of having to reclassify this one, previous image at bottom of page to try to maintain the flow.

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Palitoy-e – (Tape Sealed) Black Horizontal Text/font – Soft

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Palitoy-f – No Text – Soft - Sorry I do not have a better photo of this as its the only one I have & its sealed in a woolies 8 pack - If anyone does have a photo available of one it would be appreciated

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Palitoy-g – (Tape sealed) Green Horizontal text/font - Crisp

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Palitoy-h – Small Light Blue Horizontal Text/Font – Soft

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Palitoy-i – (Tape Sealed) Small Light Blue Horizontal Font (same Text font as Palitoy a) but soft baggie - I will get a photo done of the side with the font on soon as I get this one back from UKG

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Palitoy-j – Palitoy/Parker/Bradgate in blue box with small light blue Made in Hong Kong Horizontal text/font below – crisp

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NOT the Palitoy-k :lol:(REVISION 07/-4/14)Very Small Blue Vertical text/font – Crisp - EDIT: May in fact be a Kenner SW-e but with Vertical text - still researching this. RE EDIT 07/04/14 THIS HAS NOW BEEN CONFIRMED TO BE A SW-e baggie, the confusion was that all 3 other know SW-e's came with horizontal rather than vertical text which may I add is very odd indeed & no ideah why this should have been??, anyway the new Palitoy-k baggie class below the hammerhead photos, I will leave the hammerhead SW-e in for reference

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Palitoy-k (Revised) Black straight edge large font, almost always mistaken for SW-b but is clearly not, this is a very soft & thin baggie material & every figure found in this type has the same coo's as palitoy figures found on Palitoy MOC's

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Palitoy-l - (tape sealed) dark Blue/Purple Horizontal font/Text - Crisp -

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Palitoy-m - Dark Blue/Purple Vertical Text/font - Soft -

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Palitoy-n - (Tape Sealed) - Larger Blue/Grey "matt" Horizontal Text/font Crisp -

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Palitoy-o - Thick Black horizontal Text/Font, similar to the Kenner issued SW-d but is IMO NOT the same.

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Palitoy-p - Thick Black Vertical Text/Font Soft, again very similar to some other baggie types (SW-b & Palitoy-d) But NOT IMO the same-

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Palitoy-q - Made in China Horizontal black text

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Palitoy-r new addition 29/11/16 PHOTO COURTESY OF MARC CARAWAY

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Palitoy-u Hoth Rescue Pack no text baggie - thin very soft material REVISED 20/9/15 Thanks to a great find by our very own Laurence Dyer, I am pleased to be able to confirm this baggie was not solely found in the Hoth rescue pack & was in fact a baggie I suspect to be an internal baggie, usually intended for opening for carding (speculation), as Laurence found a good size cash of mostly palitoy issued baggies in a loft find from someone who actually got them all back in the day & has had them stored in a loft ever since, a great find which also confirms that Palitoy had some Kenner issued baggies at the time toward the end of the toy line, so hypothetically speaking, some of the woolies 8 packs that have been found with the odd Kenner baggie included in the lineup (sadly all open examples to date) may in fact be correct.

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Palitoy-v blue/green/grey text thinner font that the N, but same crisp material type & almost the same colour, but heat sealed

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Euro-a – Made in Macau, Horizontal small blue text/font – Crisp -

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Euro-b - No Text single seal –soft, all found to date have been no COO/Deep Scarred

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Euro-c – Made in Macau Black Vertical Text/font

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Euro-d – No Text soft – (single heat seal) German YPS Trooper – I think this one is specific to just this one figure, due to it being a special offer item only issued free with the German comic book - soft -

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Euro-e/A – Twin Heat sealed – Very soft – no text, these have to date been found with no coo & coo scarred figures previously being sold as meccanos.

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Euro-e/B - Twin Heat Sealed - Soft but more rigid that the Euro-e/A's I am at this point "speculating" that these are in fact another another Palitoy baggie type with the figures found in them so far being either MIHK or No Coo, not coo scarred like with the Euro-e/A's & of a different material type - any help on this baggie type appreciated if you have one as with the Euro-e/A's, as a lot more cross referencing is still needed to confirm this 100%

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Euro-f (Meccano) - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Matthieu Barthelemy

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Euro-g

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Euro-h - photoy courtesy of Del - this is a baggie that rarely crops up & is often considered a fake, it is a genuine baggie though, material is very flimsy & the text usually has a lot of bleed out

Not sure what to make of these TBH, not covered in the SWCA guide & in a way not technically speaking a Euro baggie if you were to judge it by the logo on the baggie (Kenner), but it is not a know US issued baggie, but has been found multiple times around Europe which leads me to the conclusion its a baggie made up in a Kenner production plant with there logo & shipped to one of the European distributors for retail sale, sadly there is from what [url]I know to date[/url] no other history on these baggie, but enough have surfaced to make me 99.9% convinced that it is indeed a genuine issue baggie type, it has been found both heat sealed & tape sealed, the example shown is heat sealed.

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Euro-i / Meccano (Ex Euro-c) - explanation - this was till now considered to be the Euro-c baggie like the clipper Darth Vader shown above, on close inspection they are totally different baggies, Euro-c only has one heat seal at the bottom, the Euro-i is twin heat sealed & the font is noticeably larger, this info updated as of 30/7/16 this baggie was known to have been distributed in France in the free figure when you buy a large vehicle offer (red sticker)

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Euro-j again a French issue Meccano baggie, with large defined straight edge's black font, very much like if not the same as the Palitoy-k, can be found both taped & stapled with what would look to be brass staples

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Euro-k - to date a baggie that has been a point of speculation regarding it's authenticity, the mystery surrounding it suddenly became clear when a recent find of red sticker meccano baggies were discovered, it has been one in question as more know examples are part of the meccano free figure offer/promotion (see mane guide for full details) & have a large rectangular red sticker on them which covered the font type on the baggies, glad to put this one to rest & confirm it's authenticity at long last,it is tape sealed & crisp with a blue green large font -

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I would like you to consider that this is so far just a preliminary rough guide to the None kenner issued baggies I am familiar with to date, there is also a Macau red text baggie known I believe?, but I sadly do not have a photo, all of the above baggies are part of my own collection & IMO are legitimate baggie types & are ALL still factory sealed, for most of them I have multiple examples to cross reference seal/font/material types & am more than happy to add further photo's on request to back up my finding to date, I would ask that if you have a baggie type that does not conform to any of the ones above or to any known on the SWCA, to please contact me & forward me some info & photos as this is to be a basic matrix for further work so we can actually start to make some sense of the wilderness/mine field that is Euro issued baggies.

I hope this rough guide is of some help to others & that we can work together on this as an open ended project.

& remember - you saw it first on SWFUK :P :D

RECLASSIFIED - EX Palitoy-d which is in fact as stated above a Palitoy-k, thinking behind this is that the Palitoy-k was (until now) considered to be era specific & the figure being from the ROTJ period clashed with that (wrong) assumption, seems the Palitoy-k style baggie saw action throughout the toy line all the way from 77 to 85 :o

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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Lee77 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:20 pm

Great work Frank. About time someone put together some info on Palitoy baggies.
BTW, were the woolies 8 packs baggies or loose figures inside the big bag. I thought the staff just ripped them out of the bubbles and threw them in a bag to get rid of them.

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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Lee77 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:02 pm

Doh :oops:
Cheers AJ. I saw a couple on eBay a few weeks back but I seemed to think that they were just loose inside the woolworths bag. Must have not looked properly.

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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Dark Sith Lord » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:51 pm

Another Fantastic Guide Frank Your baggie knowledge is immense 8)
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby snaggletooth » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:07 pm

Excellent work on the guide Frank 8)

Lee77 wrote:Doh :oops:
Cheers AJ. I saw a couple on eBay a few weeks back but I seemed to think that they were just loose inside the woolworths bag. Must have not looked properly.


I seen them to Lee and they where loose figures, they must have been packed with what ever was available at the time.
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:06 pm

Thanks guys!

Lee the 8 packs came in a real variety of mixtures from what I have learned so far -

Mixed with exact weapons - presumably removed from cards & packed in store?

Mixed with a mixture of or even no weapons - presumably sent in to store as overstock & mix & matched?

Mixture of loose & baggied figures - again presumably sent in as overstock & due to the selling price not removed from baggies as to save time & wages?

All of the above re 8 packs highly theoretical on my part, but from what I have seen of them to date this would make sense??? - opinions please

& this is not taking "Billy Boy scam monkey Rodgers" fake pack's in to account.

I have just altered/added some clearer photos all on white backgrounds for clarity & added another category - (Palioty-l) .
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:10 pm

Re EDIT (already :lol: )

Yet another category added - (Palitoy-m)

Getting there I think, I did say it was a rough guide & a work in progress :P
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:39 pm

& Re EDIT again, such an obvious (or should have been) variation/baggie type that I should have noticed but never really took note of before, is the now added Palitoy-n - Larger Blue/Grey "matt" Text/font".

Which from what I have seen "so far" is specific to the Palitoy Emperor single figure mailer type offer baggie.

I swear I will make sense of baggie types before the men in white coats drag me away.
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:24 pm

Re Re Re EDIT time again :) - 2 more palitoy issued baggie types added, further info here -

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Postby starwarsdan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:39 pm

Nicely done Frank! This should really come in handy 8)

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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby Frunkstar » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Hope so Dan :wink:

As with the other baggie thread, was hoping for some feedback/thoughts & input from you guys, even if just to argue some points with me, no one got any pointers for me?

I am also sure there are other none Kenner/U.S issued baggies out there, would be great to see some others if any one has any.
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby **Delboy75** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:09 pm

The no text baggie, everyone ive ever seen or owned were heat sealed. The material is much much thinner too.
Ive owned a vader, and helped id a ig88. Definately something that was sealed for palitoy imo, maybe even done at palitoy?

Macau baggies,
The blue text is the common one, always heat sealed.
Much rarer, ive only ever owned 1 but seen a couple online are green text ones (like the r/limbs c3po colour). Mine interestingly was a macau r/limb 3po. All the green text ive seen are tape sealed.

And then the red text. The red text baggies are really poor. They look like homemade jobbies really scruffy seals on all 4 sides if remember correctly. They are real, ive seen way too many for them to be fake but they are shockingly bad. Even the text is crappy BUT something you need to own Frank lol.

Euro baggies are a minefield mate, i was asked dozens of times to do a guide but i always said i wouldnt as imo it would take some serious time to undertake. Imo they are too inconsistent, the majority of pal baggies were sold either in the wollies 8 packs or in huge bins to dealers directly from the factory. They were not intended to be sold in baggies so there seems to be no real pattern with them.

Kenner released their baggies in purpose made multipacks, so you get consistency, figures bagged with the intention of being sold in their baggies.

Palitoy baggies on the whole were just bags of figures to be removed for carding, its just how they were shipped.
A box of say 400 figures shipped in, all in one baggie type. They get removed from the baggies and put into bins of figures.
Im not sure what happened to the weapons, seperate bin maybe? i cant see them being tipped into a huge bin mixed with the figures as it would be time consuming pairing them back up.

Light fingered staff would take bagged figures home, many surving to be later sold as 'attic finds'.
These are real baggies, palitoy baggies but never really intended to be sold as baggies.

Ive seen the DSD is so many different palitoy baggie types its unreal, yet none are intentional baggies.

I respect what your doing mate, like i said before it was something i wasnt willing to take on. Im not complaining but the amount of baggie question i would get each day was unreal. Doing a guide would of helped me no end, i just didnt have the time to dedicate to it.

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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby snaggletooth » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:12 pm

Hi Frank, what about these 2 and am I right in thinking that there is a China Palitoy Luke bespin, or have i just dreamt that lol
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Re: None Kenner Baggie basic Guide

Postby **Delboy75** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Not Frank, but im here so can answer as best i can lol.

The Ig88 looks palitoy to me.

Now the Greedo is one of those that confuse things as it could easily be kenner or palitoy. However, i'd imagine if it was palitoy it would be the no coo, the boots look quite dark so check the boots for coo or lack of.

Memorys a little bad now on coo/baggie combos, but i think the china bagged luke bespin DOES contain the pal figure.


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