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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby spoons » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:38 pm

wasp wrote:Hello,

Could be a very similar figure?. The link is an AFA graduate Stormtrooper, and looks identical to the one shown here jules_p:

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1114934/

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it shouldn't be the same - that's my old one and currently resides in Spain with a very disgruntled buyer. There is also a dirt smudge on the body of my old one
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby jules_p » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:18 pm

Thanks for the input guys.

There is a key question that isn't answered in my eyes - What about the factory style of bubble sealing to the MOC under uniform pressure, which I see on this MOC. Can Toni fake this I ask, if so - this could take it to another level of fakery?

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby spoons » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:51 am

Not another level of fakery - the majority of Toni's appear to have 'factory' seals which is how he fooled AFA and UKG and all of us

The 'iron' seals are only really seen on Hoth troopers and Fetts, and may have originally come from someone else other than Toni (but he sold these too)

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby phreatobite » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:13 pm

There is a Toni C-3P0 and a Hoth Trooper on eBay at the moment. I alerted both sellers when I came across them because they are claiming to be originals.

The thing I find most scary is if it is the case that he replicated the waffling which was always a great way to spot fake MOCs. I'm lucky I don't have many Palitoys in my collection except for a Logray I'm now not sure about.

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby Cazza » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:15 pm

I'd be very surprised if Toni went to such lengths as replicating the waffle seal or pressure marks on the reverse of the card...
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby _Lee_ » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:12 pm

Cazzavr wrote:I'd be very surprised if Toni went to such lengths as replicating the waffle seal or pressure marks on the reverse of the card...


I wouldnt be surprised. It was a well thought out and tested scam. Toni is a clever and intelligent man by all accounts, and he would have perfected his techniques. Heck , he even fooled the graders-who dont make mistakes :)

I just wish he would say something on the matter. Although it wouldnt clear him of wrong doing i beleive he could put a lot of theories to bed, and name others who done it...possibly.
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby spoons » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:28 pm

Apparently the waffle pattern is applied to the bubble - if you seal a factory stock waffle bubble you get a waffle pattern

The only real tell seems to be AfA90 and on the list
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby phreatobite » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:10 am

From a seller who has a C-3P0 on Ebay at the moment:

"I had no idea about any of that on the link you shared. Seems all a bit much. Packaging changes a lot with mass production, I'm sure. Hard whether to believe it all or not... Interesting nevertheless. I'm not going to mention anything on my listing. I have a family to support and need whatever the best price is for the item as it cost me quite a few ££'s to get it before hand. In future with these Starwars items I will have a good check and research it, so thanks for the info, if it's all legit.."

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby mr_palitoy » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:21 am

phreatobite wrote:From a seller who has a C-3P0 on Ebay at the moment:

"I had no idea about any of that on the link you shared. Seems all a bit much. Packaging changes a lot with mass production, I'm sure. Hard whether to believe it all or not... Interesting nevertheless. I'm not going to mention anything on my listing. I have a family to support and need whatever the best price is for the item as it cost me quite a few ££'s to get it before hand. In future with these Starwars items I will have a good check and research it, so thanks for the info, if it's all legit.."


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Also, there is a legit one on eBay right now so post a link to the one you are referring to.

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby theforceuk » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:41 am

Anyone waiting for this Toy Tony guy to give us some information forget it. He know's if he admits anything or comments on anything to do with it then it would be an admission of guilt and that is the only way he is ever going to get done for it unless someone else has solid proof and so far no one has come forward with anything. If 200 collectors stood up in court and said these are all TT's and there not factory sealed, it's still just opinions not proof. It's a complete joke and the joke is on us.
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby phreatobite » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:20 pm

The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby Dark Sith Lord » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:30 pm

phreatobite wrote:The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?


Here is a link - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starwars-Retu ... 3398a7c31c
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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby mr_palitoy » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:52 pm

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phreatobite wrote:The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?


Here is a link - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starwars-Retu ... 3398a7c31c


Yes, that one is a Toni. Surprising to see so much creasing on it. Clearly hasn't been looked after.

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby poncho » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:43 pm

is this a tt noticed a dirt spot underneath M in ''removable' limbs' text similar to page 1 of this thread before i bid on ebay
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its a pali 65 back rotj2 card with chewie bandloir offer

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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Postby phreatobite » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:55 am

That is a Toni I believe - the printing error is a good determiner.


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