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Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:38 pm
by spoons
wasp wrote:Hello,

Could be a very similar figure?. The link is an AFA graduate Stormtrooper, and looks identical to the one shown here jules_p:

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1114934/

Cheers.


it shouldn't be the same - that's my old one and currently resides in Spain with a very disgruntled buyer. There is also a dirt smudge on the body of my old one

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:18 pm
by jules_p
Thanks for the input guys.

There is a key question that isn't answered in my eyes - What about the factory style of bubble sealing to the MOC under uniform pressure, which I see on this MOC. Can Toni fake this I ask, if so - this could take it to another level of fakery?

Cheers,

Jules

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:51 am
by spoons
Not another level of fakery - the majority of Toni's appear to have 'factory' seals which is how he fooled AFA and UKG and all of us

The 'iron' seals are only really seen on Hoth troopers and Fetts, and may have originally come from someone else other than Toni (but he sold these too)

A big mess

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:13 pm
by phreatobite
There is a Toni C-3P0 and a Hoth Trooper on eBay at the moment. I alerted both sellers when I came across them because they are claiming to be originals.

The thing I find most scary is if it is the case that he replicated the waffling which was always a great way to spot fake MOCs. I'm lucky I don't have many Palitoys in my collection except for a Logray I'm now not sure about.

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:15 pm
by Cazza
I'd be very surprised if Toni went to such lengths as replicating the waffle seal or pressure marks on the reverse of the card...

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:12 pm
by _Lee_
Cazzavr wrote:I'd be very surprised if Toni went to such lengths as replicating the waffle seal or pressure marks on the reverse of the card...


I wouldnt be surprised. It was a well thought out and tested scam. Toni is a clever and intelligent man by all accounts, and he would have perfected his techniques. Heck , he even fooled the graders-who dont make mistakes :)

I just wish he would say something on the matter. Although it wouldnt clear him of wrong doing i beleive he could put a lot of theories to bed, and name others who done it...possibly.

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:28 pm
by spoons
Apparently the waffle pattern is applied to the bubble - if you seal a factory stock waffle bubble you get a waffle pattern

The only real tell seems to be AfA90 and on the list

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:10 am
by phreatobite
From a seller who has a C-3P0 on Ebay at the moment:

"I had no idea about any of that on the link you shared. Seems all a bit much. Packaging changes a lot with mass production, I'm sure. Hard whether to believe it all or not... Interesting nevertheless. I'm not going to mention anything on my listing. I have a family to support and need whatever the best price is for the item as it cost me quite a few ££'s to get it before hand. In future with these Starwars items I will have a good check and research it, so thanks for the info, if it's all legit.."

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:21 am
by mr_palitoy
phreatobite wrote:From a seller who has a C-3P0 on Ebay at the moment:

"I had no idea about any of that on the link you shared. Seems all a bit much. Packaging changes a lot with mass production, I'm sure. Hard whether to believe it all or not... Interesting nevertheless. I'm not going to mention anything on my listing. I have a family to support and need whatever the best price is for the item as it cost me quite a few ££'s to get it before hand. In future with these Starwars items I will have a good check and research it, so thanks for the info, if it's all legit.."


Name and shame.

Also, there is a legit one on eBay right now so post a link to the one you are referring to.

Jason

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:41 am
by theforceuk
Anyone waiting for this Toy Tony guy to give us some information forget it. He know's if he admits anything or comments on anything to do with it then it would be an admission of guilt and that is the only way he is ever going to get done for it unless someone else has solid proof and so far no one has come forward with anything. If 200 collectors stood up in court and said these are all TT's and there not factory sealed, it's still just opinions not proof. It's a complete joke and the joke is on us.

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:20 pm
by phreatobite
The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:30 pm
by Dark Sith Lord
phreatobite wrote:The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?


Here is a link - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starwars-Retu ... 3398a7c31c

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:52 pm
by mr_palitoy
Dark Sith Lord wrote:
phreatobite wrote:The ebay username is stuartyoung1

His C-3P0 has all the Toni features - specifically the name plate error - and despite being directed to the info so he can amend the listing he seems intent on selling it regardless.

I should have asked; is the legit one a buy-it-now? That's the only other one I can find?


Here is a link - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starwars-Retu ... 3398a7c31c


Yes, that one is a Toni. Surprising to see so much creasing on it. Clearly hasn't been looked after.

Jason

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:43 pm
by poncho
is this a tt noticed a dirt spot underneath M in ''removable' limbs' text similar to page 1 of this thread before i bid on ebay
Image

its a pali 65 back rotj2 card with chewie bandloir offer

cheers

chris

Re: Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:55 am
by phreatobite
That is a Toni I believe - the printing error is a good determiner.