The Last Jedi - **SPOILERS THREAD**

Andyclarke said:

A lot to process after a first viewing today and left the cinema feeling numb. All I can say is It's certainly made me appreciate Rogue One even more, which is better than this in every respect - fact!
There are plenty of good moments, but far too many wtf moments, which have been picked up in this thread. Maybe I need to see it again, but won't be dragging myself to the cinema to see it. I'm genuinely concerned about the future of Star Wars films.

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Totally agree mate, I think its ruined.

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Grant_C said:

I'm being honest. Strangest cinema experience ever.

Roll up 5th viewing.

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Haha, I think this is why I'll just watch it the once, for now, as I seem to be one of the few who loved it, A LOT. Don't want to spoil it.

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I'd go again mate- I think your safe. The script, screenplay is super smart. There is a ton of visual references, metaphors and easter eggs that are dead clever.

Thank God, I was utterly gutted.

Leemcl said:

Rey - I no longer give a **** about you / your parents or your place in all this. As the writing has backed you into a corner and there is nowhere left to go.

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This is a very true statement. I can't see this being any different to other Star Wars films whereas there is redemption. Rey's role in this film was not what I was expecting and Finn is just a spare part now. There was no real reference to Reys training etc and nothing like what we would expect.

Also, there is something about the kid at the end-Reys brother perhaps?? I dunno, but its obvious it means something but I honestly can't see them recovering from this movie.

Grant_C said:

stormcab said:

Grant_C said:

I'm being honest. Strangest cinema experience ever.

Roll up 5th viewing.

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Haha, I think this is why I'll just watch it the once, for now, as I seem to be one of the few who loved it, A LOT. Don't want to spoil it.

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I'd go again mate- I think your safe. The script, screenplay is super smart. There is a ton of visual references, metaphors and easter eggs that are dead clever.

Thank God, I was utterly gutted.

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I've always wondered if going to see the same film so many times in a short period has some effect on thinking? Does your mind become conditioned to the fact that you are trying your hardest to like something that you know you don't really like?? Strange theory, but interesting.

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Don't worry mate, this was just something I was talking to a guy at work about. He loves the Godfather movies, but he cannot stand part 3. He has tried to watch it again and again, but eventually conceded that he would never like it. I think its the same with all movies.

Do you think they were probably trying to copy ESB a little bit with the Jedi training part?, cus I mean even then all Luke did was run with Yoda on his back and do some somersaults and lift a couple of rocks and did that test in the cave, we didn't see anything else and no lightsaber training whatsoever and even as a kid I remember thinking how ****ing basic is this lol, maybe he did 'train' a lot more and practice some combat only it was never shown to us so maybe we were left to just assume that the rest of all that stuff happened.

Do you think this could be the same case here with Rey and Luke in this film?

Same with Mad Max 3 watched it once and hated it, tried watching it again turned it off after 10 minutes.

Grant_C said:

1st time I saw it, I HATED IT. Way more than anyone else's post on here. Worse than Episode 2. Absolutely gutted.

2nd viewing- ****.......its still awful

3rd viewing- Holy ****, I'm really into this......its actually really good.

4th viewing- this is my fourth favourite of the lot, and the third best made.

I'm being honest. Strangest cinema experience ever.

Roll up 5th viewing.

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Do you feel that this is because this film challenges all of your expectations regarding a star wars film? Perhaps a little over protective of things in the first couple of viewings that caused the dislike but eventually a lowering of your guard and removal of expectations then allowe you to embrace the film for what it is?

I dunno, just a theory.

Mr-shifter said:

Grant_C said:

1st time I saw it, I HATED IT. Way more than anyone else's post on here. Worse than Episode 2. Absolutely gutted.

2nd viewing- ****.......its still awful

3rd viewing- Holy ****, I'm really into this......its actually really good.

4th viewing- this is my fourth favourite of the lot, and the third best made.

I'm being honest. Strangest cinema experience ever.

Roll up 5th viewing.

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Do you feel that this is because this film challenges all of your expectations regarding a star wars film? Perhaps a little over protective of things in the first couple of viewings that caused the dislike but eventually a lowering of your guard and removal of expectations then allowe you to embrace the film for what it is?

I dunno, just a theory.

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Exactly this! /\/\/\ Tons of people are massively over-protective of SW, because it has become part of their formative years. When you see things that are a little WTF!!! they can't hack it, and understandably so (to a certain extent). Just think people need to chill and see it for what it is. It's got so many amazing parts, very well acted (especially compared to the prequels, but also the OT to be honest) and is taking us all on a different journey than we expected.

The Leia scene has been trashed, but why wouldn't Leia be able to summon up what little strength she had left to get herself back to the ship? She can use the force FFS- why the outrage? I suspect it's because we haven't seen her use the force before (apart from her telepathic link with Luke) and because of the way she floated. How was she supposed to float back to the ship? She's pretty much frozen in space. It went against what people EXPECTED, but that doesn't mean it's ruined. Same with Yoda- we actually got our goofy Yoda back from ESB and people have been complaining that he looked **** :roll:

And am I the only one who thought the casino world scenes would have been a perfect place for lando to drop back in to the Star Wars world.

Poor old general calrissian seems a bit hard done by. No longer part of the resistance, not a mention of what he's been up to since destroying the second Death Star.

I totally agree with these last couple of posts.

Probably more than any other characters we've all had our own ideas about what happened to Luke/Han in the years after ROTJ, and over the last 3 decades some of these ideas have become pretty fixed. TFA didn't really take any risks with Han (other than Kill him off which i think was semi-expected). TLJ however makes some big moves in regards to Luke's arc.

It took me a day or so to mull it over as i didn't initially know how i felt about it but it has really grown on me to the point that i feel it is almost perfect. That final scene - what a send off. I remember sending my lone Luke action figure out to face the Empire on his own as a kid and, ok the movie achieved that with a twist, but it still showed him to have become a more powerful jedi than we have possibly seen before.

I watched A New Hope with the kids this morning and i didn't clock it at the time watching TLJ but i love the nod to the original film, with Luke now in the Kenobi role, his finally act to be a distraction allowing the rebels final hope to escape in the falcon. It also has parallels to Maul facing Kenobi on Tatooine in the Rebels cartoon.

TLJ i think will get better and better with age. There is a lot of nuance there and i think it actually enriches the experience watching the older films. Can't wait until the second viewing. 8)

On that note, has anyone seen it yet in a 4DX cinema? there is one just opened in Edinburgh but interested to hear if its worth it?

I can see the argument that we're being over-protective and I applaud the effort to give us something new.
I just think they've thrown the baby out with the bathwater, by ditching the established standards.
TLJ seems to have even trashed everything TFA carefully set-up, which I find astonishing.

In principle, I have no problem with Leia showing her Force abilities. It's been hinted at, as far back as ESB.
Personally it was the execution of the scene that troubled me. Especially, the wide shot of her 'Superman' pose.
A moment that should have been high drama, just looked comical.

Regarding the humour, SW has always had a healthy amount of it. Going all the way back to Han's "Boring conversation anyway" in ANH.
The humour in the OT seemed appropriate to the character and situation (although things started turning for the worse in ROTJ).
Whereas, the humour in TLJ seemed forced, childish and wildly misplaced (don't get me started with BB-8 in the AT-ST :evil: ).

Perhaps I'm getting too old for this **** :lol:

StarWarsFan said:

Same with Mad Max 3 watched it once and hated it, tried watching it again turned it off after 10 minutes.

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Mad Max 2 was (and still is) one of my fave ever films, as a kid I wore out the video tape. I remember walking out of Mad Max 3 thinking WTF? It didn't feel like a Mad Max film at all, it didn't feel right.

However... repeat viewings have softened my stance, and I really enjoy the film now. It's the old saying of "appreciate what it is, rather than what you wanted it to be".

ps. Happy ending we did eventually get Mad Max: Fury Road, which was awesome on the first viewing!

Mr-shifter said:

And am I the only one who thought the casino world scenes would have been a perfect place for lando to drop back in to the Star Wars world.

Poor old general calrissian seems a bit hard done by. No longer part of the resistance, not a mention of what he's been up to since destroying the second Death Star.

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Agree the code breaker been Lando would have been better then some random guys who does F all.

Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:

StarWarsFan said:

Same with Mad Max 3 watched it once and hated it, tried watching it again turned it off after 10 minutes.

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Mad Max 2 was (and still is) one of my fave ever films, as a kid I wore out the video tape. I remember walking out of Mad Max 3 thinking WTF? It didn't feel like a Mad Max film at all, it didn't feel right.

However... repeat viewings have softened my stance, and I really enjoy the film now. It's the old saying of "appreciate what it is, rather than what you wanted it to be".

ps. Happy ending we did eventually get Mad Max: Fury Road, which was awesome on the first viewing!

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Agree RF was ace did a really good job.

Twin30mm said:

(don't get me started with BB-8 in the AT-ST :evil: ).

Perhaps I'm getting too old for this **** :lol:

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My 9-year-old son punched the air when BB-8 appeared on top of the AT-ST. It was a real 'Ewok' moment 8)

Cazza said:

Twin30mm said:

(don't get me started with BB-8 in the AT-ST :evil: ).

Perhaps I'm getting too old for this **** :lol:

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My 9-year-old son punched the air when BB-8 appeared on top of the AT-ST. It was a real 'Ewok' moment 8)

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Haha! That's fantastic......Oh to be a 9 year old again.

Just got to face facts. SW just isn't aimed at us old duffers anymore, and TBH that's how it should be.
I just hope they don't alienate the old fans too much.

I have been thinking about this film more and more and have come to the conclusion that the problem with Star Wars fans these days is Star Wars fans themselves.

The first three films spanned 6 years. The first was a stand-alone movie. Lucas couldn't have known wether he was going to get to make any more. Esb was dark, and a lead up to the return of the Jedi, with a lot of backstory thrown in. There were fans of the film, but normal people. Mostly children, but many adults as well. But just normal people. Lucas could do whatever he wanted, because they were his. Kill off tarkin, bring in the emperor. No one gave a **** about who he was or his backstory. It was fine. He was just a new character. Rotj. Rehash the Death Star. That's ok because people just wanted more.

Then came the fan. 40 years of fandom, and analysing over and over what has been seen. The dawn of the eu, the continuation of the universe all building up to where we are now.

But these hardcore fans are no longer willing to just accept snoke as a character, nor Rey as a force user with no background. Everything needs explaining. Everything must fit in with where they believe it should fit in and it is not possible anymore to just make up a story.

Have we become so inflexible based on the fact that we have been living in the past 40 years that we are unable to open our minds to new ideas and perhaps let this thing go in a direction we didn't expect it to, or does it have to follow whatever format we previously decided it should.

All you guys with kids saying him much they loved it. These are the same eyes we experienced the ot with.

This film is by far my favourite outside of the ot. My views on the ot will never change because it was an intrinsic part of my childhood. The films represent a time of my life for me, just as certain places and music does. But this is the best thing I have seen based in the Star Wars universe since. I now can't wait for 9.

Am I imagining things or was there a subtle tribute to the vintage figures? Yoda's cane, to me, looked exactly like what the classic figure came with. Yes, I know it's supposed to be a random bit of wood but it looked so like it. I'm prepared to be told I'm seeing connections where there are none. Madness, in other words.

Btw, I think I like the film quite a lot. My only criticism is there was a bit too much stuff so I'll need to watch it another ten times to be sure.