x-pack wrote:Based on how the first viewing of each made me feel I would have to say TFA. I'm not saying it's a better film but it made me feel good, like a cheap Star Wars whore
itfciain wrote:Different films for me - TFA was aimed at starting out the saga again, hooking in new fans whilst appeasing original fans with cameos from Han, Chewiw, Leia and Han - Disney want this one to carry on for at least another couple of episodes in order to raise a new generation of fans
R1 is a one-off with multiple references to the OT and realistically finishes minutes away from were Star Wars started - it is grittier, more adult orientated and is basically a stand alone
For me they were both very well made - contained enough for me to be happy to watch again & again and certainly felt like continuations of the great films I loved as a kid
R1 is aimed more at me which is why it got my vote but I have no issues with TFA at all and am looking forward to the next one
SAVORY100 wrote:I guess it could (should?) have been slightly more child friendly as Star Wars is and always should be a kids film franchise, but I'm not complaining at getting a slightly more adult film!
Ian_C wrote:Obviously, I agree with your sentiments, but I'm not quite getting the people saying this.SAVORY100 wrote:I guess it could (should?) have been slightly more child friendly as Star Wars is and always should be a kids film franchise, but I'm not complaining at getting a slightly more adult film!
I was hesitant to take my kids to R1 because of the warnings about it not being kid friendly. My 8 year old loved it, and wasn't scared of a single scene. He was more upset at K-2 dying than any human.
By comparison, ESB was pretty much the same thing. Mass death and destruction on Hoth. Dak doesn't just die in his snowspeeder, he gets stepped on and crushed by an AT-AT. A wampa that attacks Luke, scarring his face before having his arm cut off (which became more bloody in the 1997 version). LOTS of sexual innuendo between Han and Leia. 3PO blasted to pieces. Cutting off Vader's head in the tree scene on Dagobah, revealing Luke's face inside. Han is tortured onscreen, while Leia and Chewbacca are tortured offscreen. Han is frozen in carbonite. Luke has his hand chopped off, has his assailant's identity revealed as his own father, then plunges towards what he thought was his death.
ESB was, is some ways, darker than R1.
Then there's some pretty adult scenes in the other films too.
ANH - Walrusman's arm is severed and we see the bloody arm on the ground. Owen and Beru's burning skeletons. Luke pulled underwater by a dianoga. The whole concept of being crushed by a trash compactor. Destruction of Alderaan, made more personal knowing Leia's adoptive parents are among the victims. Obi-Wan chopped in half.
ROTJ - Jabba is choked to death with a chain. Leia is forced into slavery, wearing a bikini. A Rancor is seen eating a Gamorrean that is sqealing in terror. Ewoks intend to cook and eat the rebels. Ewoks shot out of the sky by an AT-ST. Two Ewoks run past an explosion, and one survives, while showing sadness at his friend who did not. Luke momentarily gives in to the Dark Side. Vader loses his hand (again), then dies. The Emperor is thrown down a shaft.
And of course, ROTS - Dooku has two hands severed, then is mercilessly beheaded by Anakin. Grievous murdering Shaak Ti (in a deleted scene). Order 66, and the mass slaughter of Jedi. Anakin murdering children. Anakin having his limbs severed, then catching fire and burning onscreen.
The whole saga has several "adult" scenes throughout. Just because this one had a more military feel, and most of the stars died, this isn't really that far from some of the scenes we've had before it.
It's been two and a half days since I saw it, and am still stunned over how good it was.
Ian_C wrote:That's a fair counter. I don't necessarily agree, but can see what you're trying to say. Cheers.
Nick_IoW wrote:Definitely prefered TFA.
Yeah I've seen the DS blow up 3 times, but I've seen a million (exaggeration) dirty dozen style movies - and it doesn't come close the camaraderie of the characters in those movies.
I didn't find R1 dark or menacing, no feeling for the characters safety. Nothing. Just sat their waiting to see how they would die.
I guess I prefer more lightsabers and the turmoil between light and dark to generic gunplay.
Well, except for the prequels - lightsabers can't save those.
Wish I had liked this more - hopefully will grow on me over time. Cos I really want to like it - but I guess you can't force these things.
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