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Rate TLJ out of ten

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What's your score for TLJ out of ten?

0-1, two hours of Jarjar would have been preferable
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8%
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5%
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1
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5
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10, it's the best SW ever ever ever
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby weasel » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:25 pm

TFA is just ANH rehashed. Plot is very similar. A safe bet after the monstrosities a were the prequels, getting things back on track. Rogue one people liked because it was quite dark, everyone dies, similar to ESB.
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby Sinniberg » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:10 pm

I really wasn't planning to but I went back for a second viewing today kinda just for something to do.

Seeing it a second time on the one hand wasn't quite as bad as the first but on the other hand just re-affirmed how dreadful a film it is. The old characters are handled terribly and so much of it is just re-hashes from earlier films.

It was a full house with mostly adults and children and I have to be honest the "jokes" just went past in silence. Even the Porgs.

It also really saddens me to see such obvious politics appear with the Casino, Rose and DJ story lines(It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join." ). And I can't disagree with the observation that it's full of Feminism and SJW.

For me the bottom line is Disney/Rian Johnson could have and should have produced a far better, richer film but it seems that wasn't their intention....

I understand that the story had to more forward but I don't think it could have been done in a worse way......
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby chewbaccadave » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:37 pm

Sinniberg wrote:I'm heartbroken.

Some scenes were mind-blowing and it had the potential to be a phenominal film but overall it just fell apart.

Dreadful script, very disjointed and so many scenes just left me cringing.

I can't even bring myself to go back and watch it again.


This really sums it up for me.I understand we have to move on from the classic originals but it's the crappy way everyone is being "written out" and all these powers we've never seen before turning up that's riled me.Mary poppins scene,hologram non fights and everything from ep7 basically ignored!! The way i feel now i don't care if it all ended,cheers Dave.

I gave it a five because there is a ok'ish film in there somewhere.

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby Snaketibe » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:37 am

Sorry, but I've had to reduce my score from a frankly generous 2 to just 1. The more I think about this dreadful insult of a film, the more I hate it :-(

There's so much wrong with it, it's hard to know where to start when it comes to listing its faults :-( :( :(

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby Michael Sith » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:27 pm

8/10 for me and really want to watch it again ( several times)

Loads of things I liked in it, taking it in the round and where they need to go with SW thought it was a great watch 8) it's SW 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby Grant_C » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:46 pm

It gets better every time.

I've only found one plothole.......

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby _Lee_ » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:11 pm

I decided to see it one last time, and after my 3rd viewing it hasn't improved. If just doesn't feel like Star Wars and doesn't seem to tie in with the others anywhere. Smokes room looked like something out of Flash Gordon and those stupid looking fucking guards of his were rediculously stupid. The fact he dies like a bitch whilst sitting on his arse is absolutely insane and completely destroys the strength / power of the character.

Leias flying still makes me wince and I feel so sad that this has embarrassed the saga. 3 friends of mine who are not SW fans also said how pathetic it was :cry:

Laura Dern was fucking awful , that's enough about that.

Regarding the overall quality of the acting , it is fucking awful. I admire Hamill so much more now because it must have hurt him to find out what happens to his Luke. Adam Driver is very similar to Hayden C and apart from a few powerful shouts I see nothing great.

Lastly, and this might offend some - Daisy Ridley is the worst actor I have ever witnessed in a Star Wars movie. You can tell she is trying so hard to act, but she can't -end of. You can tell her speech is scripted ( yes I know its a movie ) but she cannot act the script. Her reactions to surprise,fear and general happenings is very poor and I'm afraid to say she was the wrong choice as Rey, who herself seems to be a complete waste of space now. Boyega is also an awful actor who cannot seem to know how to control his reactions and speech to make it look real. We know it's not but that's why movies are made. Felicity Jones absolutely destroys Ridley in all departments in my opinion and the differences are startling.

So, at the end i m going back to my original 1/10. An awful movie, and an embarrassment to a great saga. However as I always say, that is MY opinion and no one else needs to take any notice. I fully understand people will like it, but its not for me.

The PT has more in common with the OT than this disaster.
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby db94 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:03 pm

Agree with everything you've said - damn sure I didn't need to see it more than once though.

I find it interesting that my daughter who really likes TFA and R1 also dislikes this film, she's cancelled all her preorders for TLJ hot toys etc.

Majority of her friends didn't like it either, they are in the 19-22 age group and all scifi fans.

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby SAVORY100 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:59 am

Now seen it with an 8, a 9 and a 12 year old in tow, all three think its the best Star Wars film yet... Personally, I think its still improving on each viewing (up to five now) but I can't see it breaking the top four for me, my 16 year old wasn't quite so keen (said he rates it 4th or 5th) and my 13 year old puts it in the top 3.

Disney has clearly hit the target audience spot on with this one.

Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby _Lee_ » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:29 pm

db94 wrote:Agree with everything you've said - damn sure I didn't need to see it more than once though.

I find it interesting that my daughter who really likes TFA and R1 also dislikes this film, she's cancelled all her preorders for TLJ hot toys etc.

Majority of her friends didn't like it either, they are in the 19-22 age group and all scifi fans.

Aye it's shite and no way I'm dropping another penny on the merchandise


Trust me mate, the second time was because I wanted to give it another viewing, the 3rd was because I took my nephew.

It doesn't even feel remotely like Star Wars :cry:
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby _Lee_ » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:49 pm

SAVORY100 wrote:Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...


You have to remember that a lot of Star Wars fans will look beyond the essence of the film itself. I totally understand that young and old alike will like it, but there are some that don't. Heck, a lot of people dislike the PT but I myself actually like it and feel it links more to the OT than the sequels. Yeah we got Jar Jar etc but it was about the Skywalker's and in particular one person - Anakin. I would rather they started with a whole, fresh trilogy and leave the Skywalker story to quietly end. What do we get ? Vader's melted helmet, a Vader wanabee and a nobody with any ties whatsoever - i think they are going to try to tie Rey into the Skywalker's in the next film to try to save themselves from TLJ. They will look at negative press / reaction to influence the next one, but tbh I think its past that now.

One thing is for sure, and its something I always say. I grew up in the original era and the OT trilogy can never be beaten. Thats one thing money can't buy, and I can smile whenever I think of it. It was special, and maybe some of us are too protective of it but to me its always a sign of my childhood and growing up. I'm a Stars Wars kid, and the sentimentality is something I love. This ' Space Opera' blew my mind back then and it still does.

I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby ScruffyLookingNH » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:49 pm

_Lee_ wrote:
SAVORY100 wrote:Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...


You have to remember that a lot of Star Wars fans will look beyond the essence of the film itself. I totally understand that young and old alike will like it, but there are some that don't. Heck, a lot of people dislike the PT but I myself actually like it and feel it links more to the OT than the sequels. Yeah we got Jar Jar etc but it was about the Skywalker's and in particular one person - Anakin. I would rather they started with a whole, fresh trilogy and leave the Skywalker story to quietly end. What do we get ? Vader's melted helmet, a Vader wanabee and a nobody with any ties whatsoever - i think they are going to try to tie Rey into the Skywalker's in the next film to try to save themselves from TLJ. They will look at negative press / reaction to influence the next one, but tbh I think its past that now.

One thing is for sure, and its something I always say. I grew up in the original era and the OT trilogy can never be beaten. Thats one thing money can't buy, and I can smile whenever I think of it. It was special, and maybe some of us are too protective of it but to me its always a sign of my childhood and growing up. I'm a Stars Wars kid, and the sentimentality is something I love. This ' Space Opera' blew my mind back then and it still does.

I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.


Agree with all of that, Lee. Absolutely right.

I've gone for 5/10 after only one viewing. It could be because I'm massively jaded having just missed the last 5 days thanks to the joys of seasonal flu, but the longer time passes between seeing this film and my thoughts on it then the less charitable I feel and less in a hurry I am to return. There was nothing clever about this film at all. Nothing. It took almost every plot thread that had potential and either killed it dead or turned it on it's head. To waste the scene of Luke handling his sabre lost on Cloud City for a cheap laugh of chucking it over his shoulder was, well, pathetic. I won't go over every other issue I have with the film and absolutely won't mention "that" space scene....

So why give it anything other than 1 or 2? Because there were some nice touches in it. Some original ideas. Some aspects that drew you out of the way you'd always thought of SW: good v bad, light v dark. That I liked. I also liked that fact that it was clearly going to appeal to a new generation, just as TFA did and that's great. I didn't want a film that satisfied the fanboys like we are (OK, I did, but that was never going to happen) but one that would bring the magic I experienced to this generation. Reckon this managed to do that and did it well. So for originality, bringing SW to a new generation and, frankly, balls, I'd give it 5.

Going to be really interesting to see how these new films are considered in 5-10 years time.

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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby SAVORY100 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:59 pm

I feel that these films are released for exactly the same two reasons the OT was released - To entertain children and to make money. Nothing more and nothing less.

Disney (quite rightly as a business) couldn't give a sh*t about OT exclusive fans, they don't need to, OT exclusive fans are largely irrelevant in the equation. They spend very little money in the grand scheme of the franchise's appeal that Disney will ever see and the noise they make is a small voice grumbling amidst a much louder cheer. Look at the national film reviews in the media versus the moans on forums and the like.

I prefer the OT, I grew up with the OT, I lived the OT as a child, sat through the dark times in my 20's, was excited and then subsequently confused by the special editions. Even more excited by the prequels, but after TPM, lost a great deal of passion for them. To be clear I love TPM, but despite having no love for the the other two, I've never slated them... I'm a Star Wars fan, always have been, always will be. In many ways I guess that I'm blind to its faults and love all the bumps and curve balls it throws at me.

It's the ultimate fantasy universe where anything can happen, where people can be no one and become someone where magic can make people float through space, rocks and space ships can be moved with your mind, where good is pitched against evil and where children grow into men and women through the adventures they undertake... best of all though for me its the alien races which are beyond endless and reimagined in every instalment.

That is the crux.. its meant to be magic, its meant to be new, its meant to be diverse.

The Skywalker story is one of a million stories that can be told, this film is telling us very openly to move on, to leave it in the past, I wish people would stop trying or expecting everything to join up across the universe... Star Wars wasn't constrained 40 years ago and was all the better for it, sadly 40 years of (IMO the utterly terrible) EU fiction and of course fan expectations, it has turned a beautifully simple magical universe into something that's becoming awfully divisive when it should be celebrated for what it is and what it does... make kids and families have fun and forget for a few hours the troubles we all deal with in the real world.

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_Lee_ wrote:I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.


I can already testify to knowing at least 6 kids (friends and relations) that think Star Wars (the new ones) is the best thing ever and they live and breathe it everyday... the best bit of this new film coming out was having all these kids as excited as me (maybe more so) to see it on opening day, dressing up for it and of course getting all the new toys. The modern toys hold zero interest for me, why would they, I'm both not a kid and they don't fit my aesthetic reference that is attached the OT, but the joy they have and the way they want me to be involved to share their love of the films makes my day :D :D :D
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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby _Lee_ » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:30 pm

SAVORY100 wrote:I can already testify to knowing at least 6 kids (friends and relations) that think Star Wars (the new ones) is the best thing ever and they live and breathe it everyday... the best bit of this new film coming out was having all these kids as excited as me (maybe more so) to see it on opening day, dressing up for it and of course getting all the new toys. The modern toys hold zero interest for me, why would they, I'm both not a kid and they don't fit my aesthetic reference that is attached the OT, but the joy they have and the way they want me to be involved to share their love of the films makes my day :D :D :D


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Re: Rate TLJ out of ten

Postby weasel » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Grant_C wrote:I've only found one plothole.......


WHAT? One plot hole? Have you been shit faced or high every time you've seen it?
There are more plot holes in this film than there are bits that actually make sense. The "plot" is a nonsense from start to finish.
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