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Re: Please delete thread

Postby jedisearcher » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:54 am

The funniest thing about the whole TLJ mess is that there are people out there who truly believe that Disney Execs spend their days trawling through the countless comments decrying how terrible TLJ wa and worry about what crank fans think. Newsflash : they don’t. Bottom line ££ and focus groups are all they care about, nothing else. Each to their own of course, but all those wasted hours typing out the same old blah blah might make people feel better but it changes absolutely nothing.
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Postby Twin30mm » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:33 am

We'll have to see if it changes anything.
Personally, I think Kennedy and her cronies are on borrowed time. Money talks and the Solo film has been handled dreadfully. A real shame as I liked the movie. I suspect Johnsons proposed new trilogy will be quietly shelved as well.
Unfortunately, this maybe just the sideshow. Unless JJ plays a blinder, Episode IX is where the excrement really hits the air conditioning.

TLJ is the first SW film I have no intention of buying on home release.
I hate the fact that I hate this movie, but purely as a film it's just......awful.
Nonsensical script, bland characters, Ridleys stilted delivery, TFAs set-up completeley negated, Rose fucking Tico....blah, blah, blah.

I understand that people like/love TLJ and I really have no problem with that, but it genuinely baffles me that any SW fan (especially from the OT generation) can put this film anywhere near their top 5 SW films.
How the script got greenlit is beyond me. Subversion just for subversions sake.
Wasn't that the whole point of the standalone films? A chance to experiment with the saga. Why mess with long established, beloved characters in the main saga films. They were just asking for trouble.

The chance has now been wasted to unite the Original 3, give them a respectful send-off and pass the baton to the new generation.
Sad.

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Postby Snaketibe » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:33 pm

jedisearcher wrote:The funniest thing about the whole TLJ mess is that there are people out there who truly believe that Disney Execs spend their days trawling through the countless comments decrying how terrible TLJ wa and worry about what crank fans think. Newsflash : they don’t. Bottom line ££ and focus groups are all they care about, nothing else. Each to their own of course, but all those wasted hours typing out the same old blah blah might make people feel better but it changes absolutely nothing.

I agree Disney do indeed absolutely care about the bottom line, and the simple truth is that TLJ didn't make the money Disney expected or wanted. They absolutely will therefore be looking for the reasons why, and they won't have to look very far to hear the chorus of disapproval online from fans that didn't like it in 'the countless comments decrying how terrible TLJ was'.

I have no problem at all with fans who like TLJ. I genuinely don't understand why they like it, but I absolutely accept that they do and I am fine with that. However it also seems to me that the film's defenders are often very quick to criticise those fans who can't stand it, as though the defenders feel they are being personally attacked for liking a film others don't. Some people are also needlessly rude about fans that don't like the film, calling us 'crank fans' (thanks for that, btw. If being a dedicated fan of Star Wars since 1977, spending thousands of pounds on merchandising over the years and actually giving a damn about the content we are being fed makes me a 'crank', then a 'crank' I am).

As already stated by me above (and doubtless by countless others too), TLJ splits opinion like no other Star Wars film, with half the fan base liking it and the other half hating it. That's not a scenario that's in Disney's best financial interests (that 'bottom line', you mentioned), as people like me that would have gone to see the film multiple times and then bought it on Blu-ray only went to see it once, and regret doing even that, and certainly won't be buying it on Blu-ray. And that's a scenario Disney will most certainly want to change.

So perhaps all those 'wasted hours' typing out why a huge number of people have a problem with the film might not be quite so wasted after all.

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Re: Please delete thread

Postby jedisearcher » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:04 pm

Ok fair enough guys, I wasn’t particularly meaning people on here, the proper idiots are mainly on FB derailing all manner of topics by bringing it back to their issues with TLJ. In the past couple of days alone I’ve seen threads about SWCCG, Hasbro toys, Lego and a cosplayer thread derailed by cranks (I’m not being inflammatory much :D ), moaning about TLJ, a film that came out 6+ months ago.

Personally, I didn’t much like TLJ either once I’d sat down and rethought things, I almost replied first to Lee saying it would be the first SW film I hadn’t bought on home release, but that’s when I realised that the constant complaints made me dislike the film as much as the actual film itself. It’s not difficult for me to move on when I don’t like something, life’s too short and even if I don’t like something I certainly wouldn’t be still trying to influence people about it 6 months later.
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Postby Cazza » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:17 pm

The thing I really don't get is the large amount of 'fans' who endlessly slagged off Solo and deliberately sabotaged its RT score... without even seeing it, all because of some ridiculous right wing influenced anti Kathleen Kennedy vendetta. Get a life!
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Postby Twin30mm » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:55 pm

They really didn't help themselves by shoehorning in their Hollywood leftie politics into TLJ. The whole rich people are bad/animal rights/feminist bollocks was just laughable. As for the Lando 'pansexual' thing...it beggars belief. Keep politics out of it.

SW is supposed to be an escapist space fantasy. That's why it was such a success in the 70s. A diversion from the dreary political/social climate of the time.

At least Lucas kept his political leanings subtle in the OT, e.g. the Vietnam War allegory in ROTJ.

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Postby Snaketibe » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:57 pm

jedisearcher wrote:Ok fair enough guys, I wasn’t particularly meaning people on here, the proper idiots are mainly on FB derailing all manner of topics by bringing it back to their issues with TLJ. In the past couple of days alone I’ve seen threads about SWCCG, Hasbro toys, Lego and a cosplayer thread derailed by cranks (I’m not being inflammatory much :D ), moaning about TLJ, a film that came out 6+ months ago.

Personally, I didn’t much like TLJ either once I’d sat down and rethought things, I almost replied first to Lee saying it would be the first SW film I hadn’t bought on home release, but that’s when I realised that the constant complaints made me dislike the film as much as the actual film itself. It’s not difficult for me to move on when I don’t like something, life’s too short and even if I don’t like something I certainly wouldn’t be still trying to influence people about it 6 months later.

Fair enough, and thank you :-)

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Postby Michael Sith » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:43 pm

I love Marmite, if someone told me they didn't like it then it wouldn't affect me slapping it on my toast :D
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