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And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby Woolyniner » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:43 pm

SAVORY100 wrote:I still can’t find any evidence that any films have been cancelled. Can anyone share an actual source that states this is happening?


The source was just a media website. Lucasfilm has stated it is not true. Follow the links from:

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star ... evelopment

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby Twin30mm » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:50 pm

SAVORY100 wrote:I still can’t find any evidence that any films have been cancelled. Can anyone share an actual source that states this is happening?


AFAIK it's being reported by the 'mainsteam' sites such as Collider, but nothing official from Lucasfilm/Disney.

I imagine there's some shred of truth. No smoke without fire etc.

On a side note, what's the view on this RemakeLastJedi campaign?
I'm no fan of the film, but I can't see this going anywhere. Bit embarrassing and potential IP infringement I would imagine.
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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby indianawars » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:59 pm

Delayed, cancelled, postponed... true or false.
All I know is, if you type movies 2020 into Google, it no longer shows Obi-Wan listed as a potential film release, that's good enough for me. Google knows everything that's going on in the world :lol: :lol:

On a good note, this thread has been good opening up both sides of the fence. Some cracking comments, and a little bit of therapy.

I do stick by my choice of word, describing some fans as toxic! Manly because "toxic" is such an underused word :lol:

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby Woolyniner » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:26 pm

If you look at the facts, Disney has not announced any future stand alone films.

As such they can not announce that they cancelled/put on hold such films.

They have announced the new Johnson and GOT show runner films, and they have not cancelled them.

So I'm happy all is good with Star Wars :)

Sorry minority angry Star Wars fans, but nothing factual has changed.

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Postby Grant_C » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:01 pm

The Kenobi film is a reality and was into preproduction. :(

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 pm

I will say I agree with Jeremy - from my own experience reading both here and on FB that the majority of the OT fan base have been disappointed or largely aggrieved with TLJ. However, I personally also agree with Steve though when he infers the OT fan base is a small percentage of today’s SW fan base, and today’s ‘casual fan’ is expected to draw in more money for the Disney franchise than us old gits. (No need to be so rude Steve though, it sounds just as whiney on the other side of the argument, and really not called for).

Just like George Lucas aimed his OT at kids of the 70s and 80s, Disney aimed TLJ at the kids of today, and IMO it’s unsurprising that the new trilogy has been broadly well received by the general public but less so by its original audience. I’ve mentioned it before but Stephen Spielberg did not do Ready Player One any justice IMO, but again I realise I am not the target audience. Stephen Spielberg is the master of kids films (he brought us E.T. and the Goonies FFS, so why would he aim it at 40 year old me (who thought he missed a trick not going all retro “Stranger Things” on us)? But I went with a 9 year old and a 12 year old who thought it was the best film ever made, and I suspect because it looks like every virtual reality world shoot ‘em up they’re playing on 24/7 on their Playstation 4 and Nintends Switch.

I also feel (again IMO) it’s clear that the stand alone films have been aimed at the OT audience while the new trilogy has been produced for and marketed to a completely new audience, and hence they have been broadly well received by the likes of you and me.

In my own personal opinion R1, will in time, come to be viewed by most OT fans, on a par with the three original films, and this is because it was the film that us as kids, growing up with the OT, wanted to see as an adult today. Both Solo and R1 were really enjoyable films but where R1 will go on to succeed where Solo does not, is because it gave us fascinating new character leads and worlds whilst comprehensively tieing it into the OT. While Solo is great I agree with the pretense that we have already imagined how he met Chewie, how he won the Falcon and how he made the Kessel run, whereas (at least) I had never imagined how they came to intercept the Death Star plans.

At the end of the day whether Star Wars is a success or a failure today, it will never taint my love of the OT and the absolutely amazing toyline, which is the reason I’m a member of this forum and have found a likeminded and vibrant community to share my ‘geek’ passion.

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:40 pm

SAVORY100 wrote:Calling Snaketibe a man baby is rude, I apologise.


Thank you, I appreciate that.

I genuinely don't have a problem with you or your views. You are entitled to them, just as I am to mine, so on this subject perhaps we should agree to disagree?

One thing I must correct you on however is that I didn't say I wouldn't be going to see any more SW films. Quite the contrary, I love SW and always have, and as I said in my previous post I actually went to see 'Solo' again this very evening! :-)

I am genuinely sad if I never get to see a 'Kenobi' film now, but hopefully one will still come, just perhaps not quite as soon as some of us might have hoped. I too also hope Disney and JJ knocks Episode 9 out of the park, not because it will make me like TLJ any more, and not to silence any critics (it wouldn't anyway :-)), but because like most of the people on this forum (presumably!) I truly, deeply and passionately care about Star Wars, and always will.

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Postby _Lee_ » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:11 pm

This is a great thread. Very interesting reading.

Ill be honest.,i do not like the sequels, but i think the standalones were a breath of fresh air. However, i like the PT which may sound strange :D That is just my own opinion though, and i dont expect to force it onto others. I do get a bit upset when people try to shoot down the opinions of others , purely because they disagree with their opinions and try to 'police' anything said against the movies.

At the end of the day, you watch what you want and thats it. For me the ending of ROTJ is the end of Star Wars, but it goes further for many others and i appreciate that.

One things for sure, people looking in at Star Wars fans from the outside still think we are all sad bastards anyway
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Postby indianawars » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:54 am

I just had too :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby TK-7785 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:43 pm

To suppose that any toxicity is prevalent on only one side of the argument over the other is daft. Since TLJ I've been seeing some nasty bile spew from both sides. It's a bit like politics really; most people who fall left or right of centre have a great deal more in common with one another than that which they don't. The problem comes with the polarisation. Again, the political analogy works. "Everyone who voted for Trump is a racist", "everyone who backed Bernie is a communist". Polarising the fanbase is equally unhealthy and divisive. I have friends who hated TLJ and some that liked it. They're still my friends...I've just stopped taking advise on what's a good film to watch on Netflix from those that liked it. KIDDING! :lol:

I will say this though, as a fan who found TLJ poorly written with too many pointless plot tangents and with even worse character development (pretty much every character...yes, including the white male ones) getting lumped in with the very small minority of fans who may well be sexist and/or racist (I've personally yet to meet a fan who is either of these things...for the sake of anecdotes) by the likes of JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson as a misogynistic racialist (both of whom have blatantly declared on social media that all those who didn't like TLJ are one or tuther) I find to be pretty insulting. More over, if a representative of the company whose product I've invested a large part of my life and income to comes out with that shit, at the very lest I'm not impressed, at worst they can shove it. My point is this top town tarring every fan with the same insult brush is fucking stupid and has only fanned the flames of the divide. Any company worth it's salt would be listing to the genuine grievances and taking note. All the rest of the nasty bile floating around they should rise above it and ignore it.

On a parting note, just a wee thought nugget I had recently, and this is meant as a genuine point of note from my own experience not a jab or jibe to either side of the discussion. The hysteria and fan theorising over what the next SW instalment would bring us was undoubtedly rampant post ANH through to when things died down after ROTJ. Same thing happened with the whiff of the Special Editions and the Prequels. Even though the Prequels weren't well received by all, there was still plenty of theorising between trilogy releases. When Disney announced TFA and then Rogue One we saw the same; fans in constant debate of who Snoke was, where's Rey from, what will we see of Luke etc. Since TLJ I've hardly seen any of that sort discussion. Prior to TLJ YouTube would be lit up with theory videos. Now...it's pretty baron. I haven't had any such discussion with friends (fans or otherwise), not with intention, but because the lack on continuity and setting up for intrigue has buggered it. We could probably argue until the cows come home on why that might be, but I think that's pretty telling on the state of the fanbase. For me, the queues that Abrams set up in TFA being completely ignored by Johnson and then the admittance from Lucasfilm that they threw out Lucas' sequel trilogy treatment, then Johnson threw out Abrams' treatment and are pretty much winging it from film to film with a franchise that has been built on strong character arcs and classic storytelling archetypes. Well...that's just fucking crazy. If you build a house without foundations don't be surprised if half of it falls down a few years later.

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Re: And This Is Why I Hate Toxic "Fan" Boys and Their Bitching!

Postby CaptainAntilles » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:11 am

TK-7785 wrote:To suppose that any toxicity is preventable on only one side of the argument over the other is daft. Since TLJ I've been seeing some nasty bile spew from both sides. It's a bit like politics really; most people who fall left or right of centre have a great deal more in common with one another than that which they don't. The problem comes with the polarisation. Again, the political analogy works. "Everyone who voted for Trump is a racist", "everyone who baked Bernie is a communist". Polarising the fanbase is equally unhealthy and divisive. I have friends who hated TLJ and some that liked it. They're still my friends...I've just stopped taking advise on what's a good film to watch on Netflix from those that liked it. KIDDING! :lol:

I will say this though, as a fan who found TLJ poorly written with too many pointless plot tangents and with even worse character development (pretty much every character...yes, including the white male ones) getting lumped in with the very small minority of fans who may well be sexist and/or racist (I've personally yet to meet a fan who is either of these things...for the sake of anecdotes) by the likes of JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson as a misogynistic racialist (both of whom have blatantly declared on social media that all those who didn't like TLJ are one or tuther) I find to be pretty insulting. More over, if a representative of the company whose product I've invested a large part of my life and income to comes out with that shit, at the very lest I'm not impressed, at worst they can shove it. My point is this top town tarring every fan with the same insult brush is fucking stupid and has only fanned the flames of the divide. Any company worth it's salt would be listing to the genuine grievances and taking note. All the rest of the nasty bile floating around they should rise above it and ignore it.

On a parting note, just a wee thought nugget I had recently, and this is meant as a genuine point of note from my own experience not a jab or jibe to either side of the discussion. The hysteria and fan theorising over what the next SW instalment would bring us was undoubtedly rampant post ANH through to when things died down after ROTJ. Same thing happened with the whiff of the Special Editions and the Prequels. Even though the Prequels weren't well received by all, there was still plenty of theorising between trilogy releases. When Disney announced TFA and then Rogue One we saw the same; fans in constant debate of who Snoke was, where's Rey from, what will we see of Luke etc. Since TLJ I've hardly seen any of that sort discussion. Prior to TLJ YouTube would be lit up with theory videos. Now...it's pretty baron. I haven't had any such discussion with friends (fans or otherwise), not with intention, but because the lack on continuity and setting up for intrigue has buggered it. We could probably argue until the cows come home on why that might be, but I think that's pretty telling on the state of the fanbase. For me, the queues that Abrams set up in TFA being completely ignored by Johnson and then the admittance from Lucasfilm that they threw out Lucas' sequel trilogy treatment, then Johnson threw out Abrams' treatment and are pretty much winging it from film to film with a franchise that has been built on strong character arcs and classic storytelling archetypes. Well...that's just fucking crazy. If you build a house without foundations don't be surprised if half of it falls down a few years later.

Chris


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