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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Darkest_Logic » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:04 pm

Palifan wrote:
Darkest_Logic wrote:The imperial blasters looks fine to me if that helps :).



Thanks, yes pretty sure it's version 4 and not V 5.

Ian


Yes, from the pics they both look like "V4 - Blue / Black, Semi-Translucent".
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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Stubbs » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:06 pm

Palifan wrote:
Darkest_Logic wrote:The imperial blasters looks fine to me if that helps :).



Thanks, yes pretty sure it's version 4 and not V 5.

Ian



I would agree the imperial blaster looks good. It's an absolute mine field now with these accessories repro has always been common but easy to tell a repro for original for years but now there's a few that are very difficult to tell and it's causing a real problem imo.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Darkest_Logic » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:14 pm

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Palifan wrote:
Darkest_Logic wrote:The imperial blasters looks fine to me if that helps :).



Thanks, yes pretty sure it's version 4 and not V 5.

Ian



I would agree the imperial blaster looks good. It's an absolute mine field now with these accessories repro has always been common but easy to tell a repro for original for years but now there's a few that are very difficult to tell and it's causing a real problem imo.


I agree, the amount of repro out there is crazy.
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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:11 pm

Agree both imperial Blasters are v4 and good. You often see this blaster sold with the Luke Stormie because it is so black until you stick it next to the real solid black.

The Black Leia pistol looks Repro to me as apart from the flashing I’ve not seen a v1 with vertical line (which it most closely resembles) in the dark blue black colour.

Regarding Leia pistol colours there is a v2 dark blue / black which is darker than the v3 dark blue, and it is this one that sometimes gets described as black as it is so much darker.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Palifan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:28 pm

Thanks for all your help on this guys. These blasters were from a lot I won around 6 years ago and looking at the info on this type of repro Leia blaster that ties in time wise with when these were showing up.

The lot came with a couple of loose vehicles that I mentioned and probably around 10 or so figures all in good shape and with their weapons. Looking through the rest of the weapons they all look good although I'll have to double check Lukes saber and I'm also questioning Leia's cape as it doesn't have the cross hatch texture on it. The big problem with Leia's cape is that I've heard there is a smooth one out there so it makes identifying it tricky unless it's textured.

Thanks again though.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Palifan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:10 pm

One last thing.

Looking through the figures again I came across this blaster which I'm thinking could be the V 5 get without dot Taiwan one, what do you guys think?

The blaster on the left is the Stormtrooper one from earlier and the one on the right is the one I'm wondering about (struggling to get great pictures at the moment with the light so sorry about that).

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Snaketibe » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 pm

I agree if it's real, it's certainly a V5 rather than anything else, however I am troubled by the rather soft sculpt on your one. The example on TIG seems to have a much sharper sculpt all round, but the difference is especially noticeable on the grip / handle. Also, perhaps it also came in other colours, but TIG advises the V5 no circle is dark grey / black, and unless it's the photo / flash, yours looks more blue black to me. However, as always I am happy to be corrected by someone else with more knowledge... So I haven't really helped much! Sorry :oops:

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:08 pm

I have concerns like Jeremy. Maybe it’s the flash knocking out all the detail, but the grip on the handle should be very distinct.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Palifan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:22 pm

I do agree with you both about the sculpt looking soft on the handgrip. I couldn't seem to get a sharp enough picture of it for some reason but maybe that's because the detail just isn't in the sculpt itself.

I'll have to take a better look at it in the daylight and maybe with a magnifying glass, the colour to me is more of a grey black and it does look to be the right shape of a V 5 with it also floating so who knows. Also I can't find a repro one like this but of course it's possible that it's something we haven't seen before.

Thanks anyway gents and I'll report back when I get a better look at it.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Palifan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:10 am

Well I've had a good look this morning and taken some pictures and as you can see the dye doesn't seem to have gone the whole way through the blaster. Has anyone ever seen something like this before?

As mentioned before it floats as it should and I've compared it to a stormtrooper blaster I know is 100% legit and the feel and sound when doing the drop test all checks out perfectly. I tried this on a repro one that got passed onto me as well at some point ( :evil: ), and this one sounds different with the drop test and feels much stiffer (it won't really bend at all).

Other than the handle detail looking soft (although I can see it's the right pattern for a V 5), and noticing that there's a dent towards the back of the barrel/stock (you can see it in the top shot a took a picture of where you can see the seam line and are looking at the top of the triangular clip), everything checks out that this is vintage.

I'd love to hear some more thoughts if you have any as I've not seen anything quite like this before.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Stubbs » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:30 am

Ian

I had another look at your imperial blaster and i can confirm according to TIG the one on the left is a V9 repro. I have attached the image from TIG no vintage blaster has this dot in the recces. It was easy to see the image better on my desktop monitor than on the phone.
I know the colour is different and this one has some flashing but the sign's are there .

Sorry mate i know its a shit iv found a few and spent a whole weekend almost going through my loose collection cross referencing TIG and other sources i found a couple i was unsure of so just left them out half of that was mine from the late 80s at least. Recently i found a few repro's sold to me that either the sellers didn't check properly or just didn't care.
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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Palifan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:20 pm

Stubbs wrote:Ian

I had another look at your imperial blaster and i can confirm according to TIG the one on the left is a V9 repro. I have attached the image from TIG no vintage blaster has this dot in the recces. It was easy to see the image better on my desktop monitor than on the phone.
I know the colour is different and this one has some flashing but the sign's are there .

Sorry mate i know its a shit iv found a few and spent a whole weekend almost going through my loose collection cross referencing TIG and other sources i found a couple i was unsure of so just left them out half of that was mine from the late 80s at least. Recently i found a few repro's sold to me that either the sellers didn't check properly or just didn't care.



Looks like you may well be right after reading the TIG description of the V9 repro one ( You did mean the blaster on the right didn't you, the one I thought was a V 5 Taiwan one? ).

With the flashing missing on my one and all the normal checks checking out this one almost got passed me as real so it's great that someone could see it wasn't right. These repro's sure do sneak into our collections at times and it's getting to be a bit of a minefield out there.

Well it's another for the bin but at least I have some more knowledge so it's been a good use of time.

Thanks for the heads up :D

Ian

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby Stubbs » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:05 pm

Hi Ian

Yes it was the one on the right. I would be happy to see if anyone else would agree I don't want you to bin vintage weapons if I'm wrong haha.

It certainly is a mine field I have been putting my loose run together over the last 18 months and I couldn't believe how bad this had got from eBay to toy shows and boot sale apps.

This is mostly the reason I still have 4 figures to get a wing pilot lando general and imperial gunner the blasters are a pain to find and I will only buy them in person now. Also need EV9D9 but waiting to see if he comes down in price he will probably have repro arms lol.

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby aussiejames » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:39 pm

I agree it is the 'revised/modified Repro V9 with the same mould flaw/dot carried over.
A similar thing occured with repro V5- tell tale dot remained Image

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Re: Luke Stormtrooper Black Blaster?

Postby TheJabbaWookie » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:12 pm

I never bin or burn my Repro, just put it in a clearly labelled bag. I do this for two reasons:
- once you’ve binned a suspected Repro there’s no going back, especially if you discover that it’s the real thing later... when you become a little more knowledgeable. Remember TIG is just a guide and doesn’t contain all the known original variants
- it serves as a useful comparison tool for future purchases, which I find particularly useful with ST lightsabers


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