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R5 recard?

Postby subzero » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:48 pm

Is this a fake card?, straight away it doesn't look right..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Star ... Sw5TpatTTb
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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:47 pm

subzero wrote:Is this a fake card?, straight away it doesn't look right..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Star ... Sw5TpatTTb


I know what you mean as the top looks a tad weird colour wise and the edge and punch hole look to be a bit suspect.

But saying that, the bubble looks authentic and in areas you can see the correct type of gloss on the card in the right light.

Tough one as the image quality is poor.

Shame the seller has not sold anything for a while as nothing in completed listings and nothing SW in his feedback.

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:57 pm

After some research I would say fake as looks like the wrong corners in the bubble along with a much shorter stem...

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Plus punch looks wrong and looking at the edge wear from experience in doing Customs that looks like a fake edge wear...

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:58 pm

I agree the photos do make it look odd, but I'm pretty sure it's real. Despite the front of the card looking like it has a flat matte finish in the photos, I think that's mostly the camera angle and the poor nature of the photo, and also possibly the card being somewhat faded. If you look at the card's left-hand edge, there are in fact multiple places where the card clearly has a glossy finish and is reflecting the light as you would expect a real card to do. Also, the card has convincing edge wear and stress lines, plus the blister is starting to yellow, and it would take a quite exceptional faker to make a really good fake, but then add a yellowed (and crushed) blister, complete with mangled footer :-). I know that could technically be done to make a fake look more convincing, but I still think this is real.

The best way to be completely sure however is to contact the seller and ask them for several more photos showing the front and back of the card. That should very quickly reveal a glossy card front and matte card back if it's real, and generally make it much more obvious if there are any shenanigans on the seller's part.

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:01 pm

Snaketibe wrote:I agree the photos do make it look odd, but I'm pretty sure it's real. Despite the front of the card looking like it has a flat matte finish in the photos, I think that's mostly the camera angle and the poor nature of the photo, and also possibly the card being somewhat faded. If you look at the card's left-hand edge, there are in fact multiple places where the card clearly has a glossy finish and is reflecting the light as you would expect a real card to do. Also, the card has convincing edge wear and stress lines, plus the blister is starting to yellow, and it would take a quite exceptional faker to make a really good fake, but then add a yellowed (and crushed) blister, complete with mangled footer :-). I know that could technically be done to make a fake look more convincing, but I still think this is real.

The best way to be completely sure however is to contact the seller and ask them for several more photos showing the front and back of the card. That should very quickly reveal a glossy card front and matte card back if it's real, and generally make it much more obvious if there are any shenanigans on the seller's part.


True as there do not seem to be any photos of the back for some strange reason.

I have had custom bubbles before and that looks like one with sharp rounded corners. (see my comparison photos)

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:02 pm

Here's another custom one with same corners...

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:06 pm

Lastly the placement of the bubble on the card is off compared to the original. Quite a bit lower.

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:12 pm

I think I need to change my opinion! You make a very good call on the blister stem length (something I should have spotted!), as this one is far too short (although I concede there might perhaps be shorter stemmed variants out there, even though I've never seen one). However, this is unquestionably fake due to a bit of very bad Photoshopping on the card's racetrack here, which I missed first time around:

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My apologies for being fooled by a very rare fake card which actually has a glossy finish to it! :oops:
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Re: R5 recard?

Postby tigerham » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:21 pm

Snaketibe wrote:I think I need to change my opinion! You make a very good call on the blister stem length (something I should have spotted!), as this one is far too short (although I concede there might perhaps be shorter stemmed variants out there, even though I've never seen one). However, this is unquestionably fake due to a bit of very bad Photoshopping on the card's racetrack here, which I missed first time around:

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My apologies for being fooled by a very rare fake card which actually has a glossy finish to it! :oops:


Very good call there. I was too busy distracted by the bubble. As far as I am aware the single stem bubble son the R2 and R5 are long in length and have not seen a short one like this, along with the corners.

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby sparkysx » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:38 pm

That's as obvious as a wig with a chin strap!

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby subzero » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:42 pm

Great input guys, the first thing I noticed was just the general dodgy looking card finish, and then I can see very slight pixelation on the corners of the racetrack around the bubble.

But that photoshop 'join' in the racetrack is a good spot.
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Re: R5 recard?

Postby subzero » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:42 pm

sparkysx wrote:That's as obvious as a wig with a chin strap!


:lol:
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Re: R5 recard?

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:43 pm

sparkysx wrote:That's as obvious as a wig with a chin strap!

I don't know what you mean!

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Re: R5 recard?

Postby subzero » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:46 pm

Do they do chest versions? :lol:
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Re: R5 recard?

Postby Snaketibe » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 pm

subzero wrote:Do they do chest versions? :lol:

I'm not sure, but I think this one might be held on with pure 1970's... Either that or he's smuggling Tommy Boyd down his shirt.

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