The day is coming....repro MOC

Mini99 said:

Robstyley said:

That's nothing, I saw a graded Toy Toni DSD for sale the other day for £269

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:shock:
I don't have any in my collection, but I would have one if it was £50 just as a piece of Star Wars history, especially if it had been graded too! :lol:
But to pay over £100 seems crazy!

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_Lee_ said:

Hi all,

I know this has been discussed before but i was just having a little delve into it.

I just wanted to do a wee test over the past few weeks and i bought one of these kits from Mr Poon as i was buying something from him anyway:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Star-Wars-Palitoy-12-Back-Stormtrooper-Recard-Kit-Figure-not-included/202349038846?hash=item2f1cf14cfe:g:L~EAAOSwlMFZJuKI

I also bought a card kit from Beggars canyon toys just to see how good these actually are. Now ive been collecting for a long time and have had hundreds of MOCs pass through my fingers ( ive also had ariund 5 Palitoy troopers), but i have to say that these repros are getting closer. Both of these are extremely close to being exact to the originals. Poons in particular is shockingly good. Beggars Canyons cards are Kenner mainly but still good (in a production sense - i dont support repros) but Poons is very worrying as it is of outstanding quality. Like it or not, these guys are not producing replica shite like Mr Orme, they are producing VERY near perfect replicas.

My conclusion is that the day is coming that we are getting nearer and nearer to the perfect repro. Will we in time see a repro graded mistakenly?

Its very worrying, and alarming how good these things are getting but my feeling is that we unfortunately now have no control over the MOC market anymore. I suppose the older and more sentimental i get the more i find it hard, but im also starting to be more relaxed about it all? The world has driven itself to be able to produce such quality and however unfortunate it is we just cannot stop it. I do not support repros in anyway, BUT i will not criticise people who like to try and bring the look and aesthetics back to their life. Ive no doubt there are thousands of budget collectors out there who like to get the vintage feel and genuinley cannot afford the real deal, should they really be frowned upon because they want to bring something famiiar back to their collection. Some will say go e reseal route, but again, some just dont have the funds. Should a collector who has recarded some vintage figures be any different to a collector with a full Palitoy 12 back run or whatever??

Food for thought, and good to be talking again.

lee

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edd_jedi said:

It would be interesting to see a comparison of the print under a microscope. Although the new repro cards might look good at first glance, you cannot replicate the effect of litho printing with a digital print. I'm sure under close inspection it will be possible to tell the difference.

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Leemcl said:

I don't understand how the repro market is allowed to exist.

99.9% of time you put any copyrighted image on something someone, be it a company themselves or a 3rd party agent of the company, hit you so hard with a copyright breach you won't be doing it again in a hurry.

And with a mega brand like Star Wars they have to have lawyers looking at this **** day in day out at Hasbro / Disney yet nothing is done. They allow this bollocks to stand. Repro anything is copyright breach. End of story. It's illegal.

I don't think for a minute it's a collectors responsibility to shut these "counts" down. It's the companies responsibly - so why are they ignoring this ?

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Leemcl said:

I see your point about "current" product but surely copyright lasts beyond the initial product life cycle. If you look at the Mocs we have they have copyright all over them. A quick google suggests copyright is valid for 70 years after the works published.

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edd_jedi said:

It would be interesting to see a comparison of the print under a microscope. Although the new repro cards might look good at first glance, you cannot replicate the effect of litho printing with a digital print. I'm sure under close inspection it will be possible to tell the difference.

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