Ched evans

[jabbawokkie]

What everyone make of this .the kids done what he's done.horrible thing .served his time but can't get to play again cause people kicking of and sending death threats wtf..
Can't work out point of a punishment system if once ye served ye time ye still get punished.

 

[itfciain]

No need for the death threats etc but to be honest I would never want him to play for my club and I think a lot of fans feel like that. These guys are role models for hundreds of kids and do you really want your kids aspiring to do what he did. I don't think he deserves a chance to make thousands of pounds a year again - and his treatment should also send out a message to the rest of these spoilt brats that they can't get away with it

Also, what makes this one worse is that he hasn't even apologized - if he'd have admitted it and stopped all the persecution of the victim by his 'supporters' then he might not have been so vilified- his apologies today for 'the effects' made it even worse imho

 

[Richard_H]

If the guy held his hands up and said he'd done wrong then I'd have sympathy.

But.... if he's truly innocent as he claims....

Not an easy one but being a public figure does need to come into it

 

[poncho]

if he was innocent he wouldnt have been put away!

does he deserve this abuse? partly yes, because he is in the public eye and is seen as a role and he was convicted of rape

but he has served his time in our legal system and he should be allowed to go back his profession unfortunately for him his job is a footballer.will a top league club sign him? i doubt it. even lower leagues will steer clear

i think career away from the public eye is the only viable option. he should thought of all this before he commited his crime

 

[theforceuk]

What everyone make of this .the kids done what he's done.horrible thing .served his time but can't get to play again cause people kicking of and sending death threats wtf..
Can't work out point of a punishment system if once ye served ye time ye still get punished.

Agree totally with above, I thought prison was all about reforming and all that. Everyone deserves a second chance. Double standards, what's the point letting him out if he doesn't I have same rights.

If he did do it he should still be locked up anyway IMO.

 

[jabbawokkie]

I guess he cant hold his hands up as and say sorry while hes appealing. He sjould of really got appeal out way before trying to play again.........
I know some shef u fans and they told me stuff that does give him a strong appeal if ots true.plus he was only bout 22

 

[weasel]

Yeah, he has lodged an appeal so he can hardly apologise for raping the bird while he is appealing it.

I've no idea of the ins and outs of the case, or of what he has planned for his appeal, but IF (and it's a big if) he is innocent, you can see why he hasn't held his hands up. It may well be he is used to the power that his large salary brings him and thinks/hopes he will get away with it and is just appealing because he doesn't want the stigma of the conviction. In which case he is an even bigger bastard.
I do think he should have said something to stop the abuse his victim received from his "supporters" on twitter, but for all we know he may be under legal advise not to comment on the issue while his appeal is on going.

Regardless though, he has served his sentence. It may have been lenient but it was what the judicial system decided was fair. I'm sure some in his position have had heavier sentences, I'm sure some have had lesser.
Surely now he is entitled to return to his previous life? He has served what the judicial system decreed was a suitable punishment.

I suspect a lot of the hype on this is because he is a footballer and people resent the fact he will go back to earning "mega bucks". If he was a bin man and he went back to being a bin man, no one would care. Also, there is an element of mob justice here, and something that is becoming more prevalent in our society, people feeling they have a right to be offended and to say whatever they feel necessary to get what they feel is "right". By that I mean the threats to rape the daughter/wife of one of the Oldham directors if they employed Evans. People who make threats like that deserve to be sat beside Evans in prison. Yet they will be sat right now on their moral high horse castigating Oldham for considering signing him.

I take the point about footballers being role models, but if people are actually suggesting that by allowing a footballer to play after serving a sentence for rape you are telling kids that rape is ok. I think you're a ****ing idiot!
There wasn't this much fuss when Lee Hughes started to play again and he killed someone in a car crash, whilst drunk, and ran away. Not belittling rape, but I think we can agree killing someone is worse!
I don't remember there being uproar when Newcastle signed Patrick Kluivert. He's a convicted killer (similar to Lee Hughes, killed a pedestrian/cyclist while at Ajax).

Personally I wouldn't want Evans at my club (though he would be more use than Ballotelli, but then so would a blind three year old girl) but I can't help feeling we have to accept he has served his time and should now be free to return to his previous life and try to rebuild it. Why the hell else do we punish people? Is he supposed to be punished forever? I accept his victim has to live with what he did (assuming he did it/his appeal is thrown out) and I don't belittle what she is going through, but sadly there are probably hundreds of other people having to go through what she is and as a society we have decided that the punishment for the criminal is a prison sentence and that is it. Not continued public derision and never being able to do his job again. Is it really better for us as a society if he spends the rest of his life claiming dole? Putting aside whatever we may think of the punishment for rape, as a society we decided that X number of years is it. He has done what he was sentenced to do (allowing for remission and good behaviour etc) so he must now be allowed to resume his life.


I don't like it. Nor do I condone or belittle what he was convicted of. But I hate this trial by media, the sensationalism papers are using to flog a few extra copies and the right people seem to think they have to be offended by things. But there is no doubt this is a bloody tricky moral dilemma, and I don't particularly like defending him or his right to continue working, but those are the laws/rules our society is run by.

 

[plantman]

So awkward for him, and scenarios like that are never clear, the porter heard them having sex and said it sounded like they were both enjoying it....so difficult to judge i bet.

But he got convicted and his football career should be over, well football career in the limelight anyway.

He should either get a normal job or go right down to non league until its sorted.

He should not be in any way on the TV ect as like mentioned they are role models.

 

[PGowdy]

**** him. He shouldn't ever play professional football again. A professional footballer must, on some level, be a role model. No club, in my eyes, could or should, morally, employ this scum-bag.
Having "done his time" means he is legally allowed to be out in the world looking for employment. And you are allowed to employ him. It doesn't mean you have to.
He can be a bin man. Pull pints in a pub. Work in a bakery perhaps. There are plenty of jobs he can probably still get.
But footballer, school teacher, cab driver etc. No. Sorry. Those doors are now closed. And so they should be.

 

[edd_jedi]

Although I obviously in no way condone legitimate rape, it's all too easy for somebody to get drunk or whatever and sleep with someone and then cry wolf the next day, or even make it up completely. If this is what's happened, which is what he seems to be implying, then he's done nothing wrong IMO. Our justice system is far too hard on people accused of crimes with little or no proof other than word of mouth. I feel the same about child abuse or any other sexual crime - unless there is CONCRETE evidence, the person accused should be protected until after the trial because mud sticks, and if they are found not guilty it still has a terrible effect on their lives, while the bullshitting accuser walks away scot-free.

If he is guilty and committed 'actual rape' then agreed he shouldn't play professional football again.

Also, these dickheads sending death threats to him or anybody else are just as bad. Again our justice system needs to do more about these keyboard warriors.

 

[jackabina]

I'm surprised so many people are convinced he done it. Let's face it, there's no end of money grabbing, no talent, celeb hunting wannabe's out there looking for a meal ticket for doing **** all.

I'm not saying he didn't do it by the way (although i'd personally, be a little surprised), but if he didn't, (and the fact he went to prison for it means **** all), he probably deserves a bit of a break.

 

[jabbawokkie]

I agree ed .look at the guy of corrie .dragged through court then when cleared it came out she was a nut case and it was her mam making her make it up .yet he.s been on front of every paper called nonse spent a fortune on fees.it might help if the accuser gets the same punishment if they get found out to be lying

 

[weasel]

I agree with Jabba and Edd on that. Point. The Gov need to have a look at cases like that. Anonymity for both parties should be standard, until after a verdict. Also in the case of someone who blatantly makes **** up, they should then be sentenced. All too often it seems like they get away with it.

I remember Johnny Evans and another Utd trainee at the time were accused of raping a girl in a hotel room. Obv she went straight to the papers etc.
Her story kind of fell apart when the hotel staff said she had sat and had breakfast with the group of Utd players the next day and had been laughing and joking with them. End result, no charges for the Utd players. She got her money from the paper and not even a police caution.

 

[spoons]

The guys a real sleeze even if he is innocent, and why his girlfriends dad is doing so much to help seems crazy. If I was him I'd want to castrate Ched for cheating on my daughter.

This summary doesn't do Ched any favours - he knew exactly what e was doing

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

But why one guy is innocent and the other guilty is bizarre - but not as much as why theft gets bigger sentences than crimes against people in this country

And Oldham's bizarre morality recruitment policy is also bizarre - drunken manslaughter ok, but rape bad

Rant over but I can't see how any football club could employ him now unless he wins his appeal

 

[Stuart Skinner]

I wouldn't want him anywhere near my football club, the bloke is a vile individual and being a footballer in the public eye is completely different from an everyday career. I wouldn't want someone who'd looked at child porn to come out of jail and work in the nursery my child was at just because he's served his time.

My only issue with him not being allowed to play is when the likes of Hughes and McCormack were both openly welcomed back to football after they served their time and they both killed innocent people by dangerous driving and driving under the influence. All three have ruined peoples lives forever. But hey Evans has served three years let's let him earn thousands of pounds a week whilst his victim has to live with what he did to her for the rest of her life.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I'm surprised so many people are convinced he done it. Let's face it, there's no end of money grabbing, no talent, celeb hunting wannabe's out there looking for a meal ticket for doing **** all.

I'm not saying he didn't do it by the way (although i'd personally, be a little surprised), but if he didn't, (and the fact he went to prison for it means **** all), he probably deserves a bit of a break.

I am in agreement with Neil myself. I am tired of hearing about it on the media to be honest. Perhaps they should lay off till the outcome of the appeal? I know the fact he has not apologised properly and shown a lack of remorse has not helped his cause. But their was nowhere near this sort of media interest with Lee Hughes when he returned with Oldham and Marlon King too. Think no side of this has come out with any credit and I feel for Oldham fans in all this.

Also just to get the record straight despite the fact my local side Alffreton are in big trouble on the pitch I wouldnt want him at the club. Although I have a sneaky suspicion a Conference side may sign him.

 

[Mr-shifter]

I'm surprised so many people are convinced he done it. Let's face it, there's no end of money grabbing, no talent, celeb hunting wannabe's out there looking for a meal ticket for doing **** all.

I'm not saying he didn't do it by the way (although i'd personally, be a little surprised), but if he didn't, (and the fact he went to prison for it means **** all), he probably deserves a bit of a break.

I am in agreement with Neil myself. I am tired of hearing about it on the media to be honest. Perhaps they should lay off till the outcome of the appeal? I know the fact he has not apologised properly and shown a lack of remorse has not helped his cause. But their was nowhere near this sort of media interest with Lee Hughes when he returned with Oldham and Marlon King too. Think no side of this has come out with any credit and I feel for Oldham fans in all this.

Also just to get the record straight despite the fact my local side Alffreton are in big trouble on the pitch I wouldnt want him at the club. Although I have a sneaky suspicion a Conference side may sign him.

You have to have faith in the British legal system. A conviction will only be made if 12 members of a jury, that's 12 members of the public, such as you and I, come to a unanimous or near unanimous decision. I don't know how long they were deliberating or wether it was majority or not but in making the statements you have made you are saying that trial by jury doesn't work. That is the fundamental of the legal system in this country and a disappointing state of affairs.

What you guys are basing your decision on is trial by media. You have no idea of the evidence presented in court that the jury based its decision on.

In this country, due to the fact it is innocent until proven guilty, sometimes guilty people wriggle out of justice, but far less innocent people get convicted (in not saying the system doesn't make mistakes, just more likely the other way round)

He is a convicted rapist. A jury has found that out. Until an appeal overturns this, that is what he is and how he must be treated. Likewise, the girl, no matter what you think of her, is a victim of rape.

I think you guys will find if you look at your contracts of employment they will state if you get convicted of anything your employment will be terminated. You know these things so you abide by the law. It should be no different for this man. He has committed a crime and been rehabilitated by the prison system, however what he has done represents a huge character reference. And what does this say to all the young fans of a football club. If you have money and success you can do whatever you want and society won't care.

He had an opportunity at a career many of us can only dream of. He blew it and I have no sympathy for him.

 

[spoons]

This summary doesn't do Ched any favours - he knew exactly what e was doing

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

What you guys are basing your decision on is trial by media. You have no idea of the evidence presented in court that the jury based its decision on.

He is a convicted rapist. A jury has found that out. Until an appeal overturns this, that is what he is and how he must be treated]

Not disagreeing Ben - but the evidence heard by the jury is in the link above

 

[chiffy]

I'm surprised so many people are convinced he done it. Let's face it, there's no end of money grabbing, no talent, celeb hunting wannabe's out there looking for a meal ticket for doing **** all.

I'm not saying he didn't do it by the way (although i'd personally, be a little surprised), but if he didn't, (and the fact he went to prison for it means **** all), he probably deserves a bit of a break.

I am in agreement with Neil myself. I am tired of hearing about it on the media to be honest. Perhaps they should lay off till the outcome of the appeal? I know the fact he has not apologised properly and shown a lack of remorse has not helped his cause. But their was nowhere near this sort of media interest with Lee Hughes when he returned with Oldham and Marlon King too. Think no side of this has come out with any credit and I feel for Oldham fans in all this.

Also just to get the record straight despite the fact my local side Alffreton are in big trouble on the pitch I wouldnt want him at the club. Although I have a sneaky suspicion a Conference side may sign him.

OOH who could that possibly be??? :wink: To be honest, the other guy involved, Clayton Mcdonald, played for us last season when the case for still wide open but no one seemed to give a **** then! I am also under the impression that these lasses are ten a penny. Shag a celeb, especially a footballer, cry wolf and get a piece if the limelight. However, he has been found guilty so must be treated as such. Personally i am that pigsick of being in this **** godforsaken league for the last 5 seasons that he could gladly have my arse if he got us back into the league :mrgreen:
As it stands tho, despite the offer of his stepdad to pay his £2500 a week wages, our chairman is against it altho' there is a petition going round to get him to change his mind. I don't even think he's that good to be honest but saying that he would prob shine at conference level whilst being away from the cameras until it dies down abit. Maybe the lad could sign for a club but do a hell of a lot of community service voluntary on his days off for a year?

 

[edd_jedi]

A jury decision is still just an educated guess, and juries are human beings so no matter how hard they try it's impossible to be completely impartial. Eg would a parent on a jury ever find a suspected child abuser not guilty? No chance. We're all judgemental whether we like it or not.