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<blockquote data-quote="RKW1138" data-source="post: 264616" data-attributes="member: 4382"><p>Well 1 month on an I guess we are due a recap so I've collated all the posts I could find spread across RS and here and posted below. </p><p>If I've missed something then let me know and I'll update the post. Big thanks to wbobafett for doing all the donkey work.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1985 - Palitoy toy factory in Coalvile ceases production.</span> </p><p></p><p>Woolworth stores had virtually exclusive rights to sell off the remaining Palitoy stock in 85. </p><p>Hundreds of Tri PotF items were exported for sale on mainland Europe and the Tri-logo 4-Packs and 64 figure boxes were sold through various warehouses in the UK.</p><p></p><p>List of known toy dealers who had acquired unused Palitoy factory stock:</p><p>Andy Loney (US)</p><p>Antoni Emchowicz aka ToyToni.com (UK)</p><p>Arthur Bailey (UK)</p><p>William Rodgers aka Billy Boy (UK)</p><p>Bruce Zolkan (US)</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1985-1990 – Toy dealer Arthur Bailey from Peterborough acquires thousands of unused ESB & ROTJ cards for different characters and six boxes of unused card blisters (types unknown). </span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00"><a href="http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11326&p=261366&hilit=list#p261359" target="_blank">http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11326&p=261366&hilit=list#p261359</a> </span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">Arthur is also alleged to have had boxes of carded figures for sale.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1988-1990 – Toy dealer/Collector Billy Boy acquired and sold approx. 50 unused Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from an unknown source. It should be noted that Billy Boy lived not far from Antoni Emchowicz.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1999 – US Dealer Andy Loney sold unused card backs at Greensboro toy show, described to have had stacks of them available. Known to have stocked Logray, Imperial commander, C3PO, Squid head, Lobot & Lando Calrissian skiff.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">2014 - Swfuk forum member Starzone confirms that Antoni Emchowicz was at Atlantique City show around 2000 selling unused card backs to both dealers and collectors.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Palitoy ROTJ Boba Fett</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1985-1990 - Dealer/collector Jason Joiner purchases approximately 500 carded (allegedly) ROTJ Boba Fett's on both Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from Toy dealer Arthur Bailey. Jason claims to have sold approximately 440 to UK collector/dealer Craig Stevens from Romford.</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">2013 - Craig was seen selling one of those used card backs on eBay and evidence shows iron marks on card back.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">Craig's 212 figure count is half what Jason claimed to have sold. Any remaining Jason Joiner stock was sold at various conventions.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1996 Dealer/Collector Jason Joiner has a stall at a UK event in Cheshunt.</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">2013 - Some sealed examples still survive with evidence of iron marks. All known examples of sealed and formally sealed card backs that show iron marks used the double stem blister.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">1985-1990 - Dealer/collector Jason Joiner purchases approximately 500 carded (allegedly) ROTJ Hoth Stormtroopers on both Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from Toy dealer Arthur Bailey.</span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">Jason claims to have sold the majority of them to US dealer Bruce Zolkan in Florida. Some were sold through Jason's stores and the remainder by eBay seller Mark Carter who was selling off Jason's old warehouse stock.</span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00"></span></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">2013 – Examples found with either unusual stains on the card front or card hanger marks made by another card.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Photo of Jason Joiners loft.</p><p><img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1474461_10153660786855294_782246562_n.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #FFBF00">2013 - Many examples found displaying both iron marks on both blister and card. Most appear to use double stem blisters but some single stem examples found with upside down blister.</span> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>CURRENT ANALYSIS</strong></span></p><p></p><p>1. There is currently no additional supporting evidence that toy dealer Arthur Bailey had any carded figures to sell other than the fact that dealer Antoni Emchowicz is selling carded figures. Dealer/collector Jason Joiner posted a copy of Arthur's inventory of un-carded figures but surprisingly the page for the carded stock is missing. You would have expected all the pages of a multipage document to have been kept together.</p><p></p><p>If Arthur Bailey had no carded figures then this would implicate both dealers Jason Joiner and Antoni Emchowicz as knowingly selling modern sealed figures.</p><p></p><p>If we are to believe that carded figures were sold by Arthur Bailey then with the current evidence of poorly sealed Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper's and ROTJ Boba Fett's sold by Jason Joiner. It would be reasonable to conclude that the remaining carded stock sold by Arthur also had dodgy seals.</p><p></p><p>2. There is evidence to suggest Antoni Emchowicz has sold used cardbacks that show some evidence of a poor blister seal. </p><p></p><p>3. Other than Jason Joiner's allegations that Antoni Emchowicz was the dealer who purchased unused cardbacks and blisters from toy dealer Arthur Bailey there has been no public first hand reports to support this. </p><p></p><p>4. The source of unused cardbacks sold by both US dealer Andy Loney and UK dealer/collector Billy Boy is not publicly known. Could they have also had access to unused blisters? Billy Boy has been accused of selling fake baggies in the past.</p><p></p><p><strong>UPDATE 11/01/14</strong> --- A forum member has come forward to confirm that Antoni Emchowicz was selling unused card backs at a Atlantique city show around 2000. I think this confirms Antoni as being the person that originally supplied US dealer Andy Loney and more than likely Billy Boy due to proximity. So we now have more evidence of deception from Antoni claiming that he had never seen any unused card backs. </p><p></p><p>5. There is public evidence to show Antoni Emchowicz new the toy dealer Arthur Bailey a lot better than he tried to initially make out.</p><p></p><p>6. There is public evidence to show Antoni Emchowicz had a second eBay count in order to mask his purchasing of mint loose figures.</p><p></p><p>7. While there is evidence that there was an abundance of light blue Boba Fett figures in the UK during 1985 there is currently no evidence that Palitoy 45 back cards with these figures ever made it to retail.</p><p></p><p>8. From the carded figures sold by ToyToni.com below are a number of identifying features that have been found on multiple cards.</p><p></p><p></p><p>9) One has to question what the motive would be to purchase so many unused card backs and boxes of unused blisters. There was an abundance of loose figures available back in the 80's and early 90's so would the temptation be too great? </p><p></p><p></p><p>To be continued……….</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Edited to add new info about Andy Loney & Billy Boy relating to unused card backs.</p><p>25/1/14 - Added photo of Jason Joiners loft showing Hoth Troopers stacked.</p><p>01/02/14 - Added extra information given by Craig Stevens regarding the Boba Fett's he purchased from Jason Joiner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RKW1138, post: 264616, member: 4382"] Well 1 month on an I guess we are due a recap so I've collated all the posts I could find spread across RS and here and posted below. If I've missed something then let me know and I'll update the post. Big thanks to wbobafett for doing all the donkey work. [color=#FFBF00]1985 - Palitoy toy factory in Coalvile ceases production.[/color] Woolworth stores had virtually exclusive rights to sell off the remaining Palitoy stock in 85. Hundreds of Tri PotF items were exported for sale on mainland Europe and the Tri-logo 4-Packs and 64 figure boxes were sold through various warehouses in the UK. List of known toy dealers who had acquired unused Palitoy factory stock: Andy Loney (US) Antoni Emchowicz aka ToyToni.com (UK) Arthur Bailey (UK) William Rodgers aka Billy Boy (UK) Bruce Zolkan (US) [color=#FFBF00]1985-1990 – Toy dealer Arthur Bailey from Peterborough acquires thousands of unused ESB & ROTJ cards for different characters and six boxes of unused card blisters (types unknown). [url]http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11326&p=261366&hilit=list#p261359[/url] Arthur is also alleged to have had boxes of carded figures for sale.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]1988-1990 – Toy dealer/Collector Billy Boy acquired and sold approx. 50 unused Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from an unknown source. It should be noted that Billy Boy lived not far from Antoni Emchowicz.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]1999 – US Dealer Andy Loney sold unused card backs at Greensboro toy show, described to have had stacks of them available. Known to have stocked Logray, Imperial commander, C3PO, Squid head, Lobot & Lando Calrissian skiff.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]2014 - Swfuk forum member Starzone confirms that Antoni Emchowicz was at Atlantique City show around 2000 selling unused card backs to both dealers and collectors.[/color] [size=5][b]Palitoy ROTJ Boba Fett[/b][/size] [color=#FFBF00]1985-1990 - Dealer/collector Jason Joiner purchases approximately 500 carded (allegedly) ROTJ Boba Fett’s on both Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from Toy dealer Arthur Bailey. Jason claims to have sold approximately 440 to UK collector/dealer Craig Stevens from Romford.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]2013 - Craig was seen selling one of those used card backs on eBay and evidence shows iron marks on card back.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]Craig's 212 figure count is half what Jason claimed to have sold. Any remaining Jason Joiner stock was sold at various conventions.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]1996 Dealer/Collector Jason Joiner has a stall at a UK event in Cheshunt.[/color] [color=#FFBF00]2013 - Some sealed examples still survive with evidence of iron marks. All known examples of sealed and formally sealed card backs that show iron marks used the double stem blister.[/color] [size=5][b]Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper[/b][/size] [color=#FFBF00]1985-1990 - Dealer/collector Jason Joiner purchases approximately 500 carded (allegedly) ROTJ Hoth Stormtroopers on both Palitoy 45 & 65 card backs from Toy dealer Arthur Bailey. Jason claims to have sold the majority of them to US dealer Bruce Zolkan in Florida. Some were sold through Jason’s stores and the remainder by eBay seller Mark Carter who was selling off Jason’s old warehouse stock. 2013 – Examples found with either unusual stains on the card front or card hanger marks made by another card.[/color] Photo of Jason Joiners loft. [img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1474461_10153660786855294_782246562_n.jpg[/img] [color=#FFBF00]2013 - Many examples found displaying both iron marks on both blister and card. Most appear to use double stem blisters but some single stem examples found with upside down blister.[/color] [size=5][b]CURRENT ANALYSIS[/b][/size] 1. There is currently no additional supporting evidence that toy dealer Arthur Bailey had any carded figures to sell other than the fact that dealer Antoni Emchowicz is selling carded figures. Dealer/collector Jason Joiner posted a copy of Arthur’s inventory of un-carded figures but surprisingly the page for the carded stock is missing. You would have expected all the pages of a multipage document to have been kept together. If Arthur Bailey had no carded figures then this would implicate both dealers Jason Joiner and Antoni Emchowicz as knowingly selling modern sealed figures. If we are to believe that carded figures were sold by Arthur Bailey then with the current evidence of poorly sealed Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper’s and ROTJ Boba Fett’s sold by Jason Joiner. It would be reasonable to conclude that the remaining carded stock sold by Arthur also had dodgy seals. 2. There is evidence to suggest Antoni Emchowicz has sold used cardbacks that show some evidence of a poor blister seal. 3. Other than Jason Joiner’s allegations that Antoni Emchowicz was the dealer who purchased unused cardbacks and blisters from toy dealer Arthur Bailey there has been no public first hand reports to support this. 4. The source of unused cardbacks sold by both US dealer Andy Loney and UK dealer/collector Billy Boy is not publicly known. Could they have also had access to unused blisters? Billy Boy has been accused of selling fake baggies in the past. [b]UPDATE 11/01/14[/b] --- A forum member has come forward to confirm that Antoni Emchowicz was selling unused card backs at a Atlantique city show around 2000. I think this confirms Antoni as being the person that originally supplied US dealer Andy Loney and more than likely Billy Boy due to proximity. So we now have more evidence of deception from Antoni claiming that he had never seen any unused card backs. 5. There is public evidence to show Antoni Emchowicz new the toy dealer Arthur Bailey a lot better than he tried to initially make out. 6. There is public evidence to show Antoni Emchowicz had a second eBay count in order to mask his purchasing of mint loose figures. 7. While there is evidence that there was an abundance of light blue Boba Fett figures in the UK during 1985 there is currently no evidence that Palitoy 45 back cards with these figures ever made it to retail. 8. From the carded figures sold by ToyToni.com below are a number of identifying features that have been found on multiple cards. 9) One has to question what the motive would be to purchase so many unused card backs and boxes of unused blisters. There was an abundance of loose figures available back in the 80’s and early 90’s so would the temptation be too great? To be continued………. Edited to add new info about Andy Loney & Billy Boy relating to unused card backs. 25/1/14 - Added photo of Jason Joiners loft showing Hoth Troopers stacked. 01/02/14 - Added extra information given by Craig Stevens regarding the Boba Fett's he purchased from Jason Joiner. [/QUOTE]
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