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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby BlueDog » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:29 pm

As Edd pointed out there is a huge difference between a favour and a service. If I ask a fellow member on here to do me a solid then I also accept the unwritten rules which follow such an arrangement.

I would never expect a refund if said item was lost and I would also expect that it would take second place to any real life events such as work and family. But that's me and you said Iain gave up a refund without you having to ask which I think shows his character. Sorta sucks when you offer to do someone a favour, make a genuine mistake and it ends up costing you.

I've had plenty of members on here help me with OS purchases and I wouldn't blame them one bit if in the future any of them decide it's not worth it if it could end up costing them to do so.

Quick question , what would you have done if the item was lost or damaged in transit? Would you have expected Iain to foot the bill for that?

Iain I'd seriously consider typing up some sort of disclaimer in the future bud, I know it sounds a bit much but with the regularity in which you do this for people it may not be such a bad idea.
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby itfciain » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:32 pm

Just a point of note - I didn't name BB - he outed himself

I was really annoyed and vented on here which last time I looked was acceptable - I was annoyed at his reaction and just wanted to point out to people that if I do you a favour and then make a mistake (which I then pay for) then don't give me a load of emotional blackmail

Simple as that
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:34 pm

Lost or damaged in transit, either on route from original seller or the middle person to the buyer is totally the original buyers problem to deal with, of course it is. Lost at the middle persons house is a different matter and totally warranted a refund.

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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby itfciain » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:36 pm

Dannywhiteley wrote:Now to put a fresh perspective on it, I could easily see how an air of suspicion might waft across this situation if it was a bargain, high value item that got lost (let's say a $50 21 back fett). If it wasn't for Iains top rep the buyer could feel it hadn't actually got lost but been conveniently 'mislaid'. Assuming its a common $50 mailer that could easily be replaced (not a $50 Fett mailer for example), it clears that concern up immediately (ps I'm not in any way insinuating anything, just saying how it could have gone down).l


Another point of note - if this is in anyway something that anybody could potentially feel then please never ask anyone, and me especially, to forward an item on. If you can even think for 1 second that the person doing it will screw you over then you should not ask for their help
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:37 pm

Also by posting on here you sort of forced BB's hand to respond. Otherwise it would be a one sided argument and would in your mind totally vindicate your position without giving him fair right for reply or offering both sides of the story.

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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:41 pm

itfciain wrote:
Dannywhiteley wrote:Now to put a fresh perspective on it, I could easily see how an air of suspicion might waft across this situation if it was a bargain, high value item that got lost (let's say a $50 21 back fett). If it wasn't for Iains top rep the buyer could feel it hadn't actually got lost but been conveniently 'mislaid'. Assuming its a common $50 mailer that could easily be replaced (not a $50 Fett mailer for example), it clears that concern up immediately (ps I'm not in any way insinuating anything, just saying how it could have gone down).l


Another point of note - if this is in anyway something that anybody could potentially feel then please never ask anyone, and me especially, to forward an item on. If you can even think for 1 second that the person doing it will screw you over then you should not ask for their help


I agree. But without knowing BB's mind I dont know if that would even cross it. Just a suggestion as to how it could have affected the situation, especially if the 'value' (not cost) was high. That was discussed earlier on as something that shouldn't affect the situation, whereas I think it could if the original buyer and person doing the favour were not close.

As I said, not insinuating anything just offerin a perspective. Back dooring has been widely known in this hobby over the years unfortunately, from the very top to the bottom and many formerly very strong friendships lost as a result.
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby BlueDog » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:43 pm

I think you're making rules up as you go there Danny, from what I've seen in the past it's the seller who is responsible for ensuring safe delivery of goods to the buyer.
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby itfciain » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:44 pm

Dannywhiteley wrote:Also by posting on here you sort of forced BB's hand to respond. Otherwise it would be a one sided argument and would in your mind totally vindicate your position without giving him fair right for reply or offering both sides of the story.


I am / was not forcing anyone's hand at all.

I have about 20 odd packages arrive each week for me to forward on to various people - if they want to get arsey with me if something happens then I would like them to know that I would rather not do it for them

Yes, this thread was a rant but in no way did it force anyone to do anything
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:45 pm

BlueDog wrote:I think you're making rules up as you go there Danny, from what I've seen in the past it's the seller who is responsible for ensuring safe delivery of goods to the buyer.



Ffs. It wasn't lost in transit. It was lost at his house.

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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby BlueDog » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:46 pm

Oh dear, never mind.
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:50 pm

So it's the original ebay (I assume it was an eBay purchase) sellers fault Iain lost it at his house? How the fuck does that work?

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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby BlueDog » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:01 pm

Of course it's not the original Ebay sellers fault if it was lost at Iain's place, my original question was would Iain be expected to be financially responsible if it had been damaged or lost in transit from him to BB?

If I add the word Fuck in will it make my statement have more impact?
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby Dannywhiteley » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:15 pm

It helps.

I already said that damage in transit isn't iains (or whoever is doing the favour) fault. Lost at his house is though unfortunately.

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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby yoda » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:19 pm

Guys this is unfortunate the way this whole thing has ended up. I don't think we will solve the problem and I feel for both guys.
I have bought alot for lain and I don't know him personally but I would totally trust him with anything I would order.
Why don't you all put it to bed things can get said in the heat of the moment. Nothing productive is coming from this and I really hope this doesn't put lain off helping some of us again.
If he decided to help only guys he personally knows from now on I would totally understand why.
Remember he does these things as a favour for us.
Maybe this thread is a good thing because it highlights the risks we take when we ask someone else to help us. You increse the risk when it starts passing through more hands.
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Re: Just a quick point on forwarding things on

Postby jayums » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:33 pm

Dannywhiteley wrote:It helps.

I already said that damage in transit isn't iains (or whoever is doing the favour) fault. Lost at his house is though unfortunately.


:shock:

A mate of mine came around to watch the footy and spilt a glass of wine on my carpet the other night. Naturally I charged him for the wine and the cleaning costs.


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