Comprehensive Guide to Baggies

Post No - 1

Firstly may I request that NO discussion takes place on this thread as it is intended to be solely a guide & for everyone's help, this can only be achieved if it is easy to navigate, so your cooperation would be appreciated.

For discussion regarding the items on this thread & any help in construction of the guide please may I ask that you post in the thread linked below thank you -


Or do please feel free to Private Message me on here.

I aim with a lot of help to in time create a comprehensive guide to all baggie related items which will include all baggies not just Kenner (U.S) issued ones like the former SWCA guide -


Baggies were available in many ways, primarily in America in the form of store mail order multipacks like the one below, which spanned the entire film era from SW to ROTJ & were available from US stores like J.C Penny & Sears ETC -



I will go in to detail about these further on in the guide after I have covered the individual figure/baggies & single figure mailers, so the guide will cover in this order (please see list below), please bear with me as said it is a work in progress & will be added to as & when I can & as & when the information becomes available -

1. First individual baggie
2. Single figure mailers
3. Multi-packs
4. Special offer items Kenner US/Canada & Toltoys Australia
5. almost forgot! - popy's
6. fakes & what to look out for
7. Well the guides grown so much now an Index page can be found on the final post (currently Post number 116) on the final page (6), which gives a full breakdown of whats covered & each post has now also been numbered for easier navigation.

They were also packaged together with ships & play-sets toward the end of the toy line when sales had dropped off & many companies like Kenne/Palitoy/Toltoys etc were wanting to try to sell off all their remaining overstock.

This will be a very long road to travel but one I feel really is needed if we are ever to overcome the stigma of the "Billy Boy Scam Monkey Rodgers" incident, a man who has sadly single handed brought any non US issued baggies into disrepute, not idea why TBH though as from all the reading I have done to date he only did fakes in 1 baggie type (Palitoy-a - see below link) & also the Woolworths 8 figure 99p special buys multipacks, but 90% of baggies collectors seem to feel that if it ain't US issued it ain't worth collecting & is most likely FAKE, this is one of the major hurdles this guide is going to face I am sure.

The Revised Kenner baggie Guide - PENDING CONSTRUCTION


Basic rough guide that I did to None US issued baggies that is still a work in progress -


There are a great many baggies circulating that are not covered by any form of guide to date & it is these I hope to shed a little more light on, there are also a great many fakes floating about, another point I will be going in to at length in hopes to save others from falling foul of some of the expense & disappointment/frustration I have had when first getting in to collecting baggies.

Remember baggies are one of the easiest items to fake for the untrained eye, so ALWAYS be on your guard when buying a baggie type you are not familiar with or a figure that has not to date been found in that baggie type, if there is a market that is profitable, there will always be those unscrupulous sellers willing to cash in on it for a quick buck.

This is intended to be an "open ended project" that I & with luck YOU will be helping to make into a definitive reference over time.

Here are a few IMO useful links to start the thread in the right direction, if anyone who had made any of the below threads/guides has any objections to them being linked to, please inform me via PM & they will be removed.

Facebook Baggie group for discussion - buying/selling & trading


Shawn k's mailer guide -


Andy_R's Catalog Multipack collection -


SWCA Special offer guide -


SWCA Multi Pack Guide, sadly not many of the packs are show with the baggies -


Couple more threads I have done that may prove useful -



& another new one if you want to hurt your head regards font variations added 9/7/16 -


There is a tonne of information I will keep adding to this first post, so do keep checking back on the first page.

AFA have kindly covered photobucket hositing fees for the foreseeable future so we will no longer be having issues with blurred images & hosting problems, big thanks to AFA for doing this - luckily we have now managed to move all images to forum servers, so no more need of photo"con"bucket woo hu.

Also great news that they are now using all the extended & amended new classifications on this guide / the non kenner guide & the revised kenner guide for correct baggie classifications on their grade labels going forward, think that is great news all round.

Post No - 2

2-1B




Palitoy-a




Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF Laurence Dyer



ESB-f - Photo courtesy of AJ





ESB-f - Metallic Paint variant



ESB-c

So far I have only ever seen the plain finish figure in a baggie, never the metallic version EDIT: -Found one see above

Post No - 3

4-Lom



Palitoy-b / Toltoys - Found in Toltoys single figure mailers

IMAGE NEEDED

ESB-c



ESB-d - Found in single figure Kenner mailers



ROTJ-c EDIT: (from heat sealed to tape as it should be) - If legitimate I assume would have come in a multi-pack, I am however not convinced this is legitimate & it is one of only a couple of baggies I have that is "in question" the seals are correct by the looks of it for a vintage baggie, though no CONFIRMED example has been found to date, EDIT: - now confirmed legit as has been confirmed to be found in multi packs as suspected, I bought this when I first started collecting baggies in 2006



(suspected) Kenner 500 figure shipping case overstock baggie - PHOTO COURTESY OF Snaggletooth

Post No - 4

8D8

Dedicated to Joe



Palitoy-i (open bag) PHOTO COURTESY OF - Kevin Bletsoe Under normal circumstances I do NOT include open baggies in the guide, BUT due to the fact that these Palitoy-i's have been encountered on numerous occasions in this fashion, both on their own with mint figures & accessories as well as no tape residue on the baggies whatsoever & also in sealed woolies 8 packs, I have to assume that they were found both open & in tape sealed formats.




ESB-c



Euro-a



Euro-a - same as above, but with the inclusion of the Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)



UNCONFIRMED baggie knotted baggie, there were several of these available around 2006/7 time & I took a chance on them after seeing so many of the same figure/baggie combo, they are in a Palitoy-i baggie, but are knotted rather than tape sealed, I can only assume that either

A - they are fake
B - & IMO simply a case of the factory being out of tape on a day & going ahead with the run & knotting them as not to hold up the production line.

I know - I know, a lot will simply scratch these off as not legitimate baggies, but bear in mind the fact that back when these were being made they were never considered to be collectible or likely to be staying in the baggies, so may well be just a production glitch, I am NOT endorsing these as legitimate in ANY way, only stating my opinion, but consider this - if indeed a fake - why bother??, not an expensive figure baggie combo in the first place & where would they have found the cardboard parts for the legs?, it would make little sense to fake this one IMHO.

EDIT 21/9/15 - due to new information, the find of non sealed Palitoy-i baggies from kevin B, I looked back at this baggie again closely & IMO I think this is indeed a Palitoy-i baggie which has been knotted shut, so assuming many of the Palitoy-i's came unsealed, this would add weight to the argument that this is indeed an authentic baggie

There are the circle on hip variations out there if you wanted to go for completeness, I however decided not to go down that route, but have seen circle on both hips/circle on left hip & no circles variations.

Post No - 5

Admiral Ackbar



Palitoy-b



Palitoy-r



ESB-c as found in single figure Kenner Mailer



ESB-d - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Brett Meyer



ROTJ-a



ROTJ-c Type-b (Grey/Blue)



ROTJ-h - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer & to date the only confirmed example as Kenner never used this baggie in multi-packs or special offers, this came in the 3p0 case find from palitoy

OTHER KNOWN BAGGIES FOR THIS FIGURE - NO PHOTO AVAILABLE AS YET - Palitoy-n

Post No - 6

Amanaman

Often thought to only be found in one baggie type this fellow.



Palitoy-b -?? EDIT: - not sure of the origins of this one TBH, but see the EV-9D9 in the same baggie, possible woolies 8 pack refugee?, as from what I now understand the jabba's dungeon was a sears exclusive?



ESB-c



Not as thought previously POTF-a - EDIT - Amended - to POTF-b - reasoning - The EV-9D9 is tape sealed, its only just hit me that (like ESB-c/d for instance) its the same baggie but one is tape sealed (EV-9D9) & Amanaman is Heat sealed, a miniature revelation & also a new classification for a baggie not covered by the old SWCA guide,although shown on it EDIT 13/6/16 see below other know baggies -

OTHER KNOWN BAGGIES FOR THIS FIGURE - NO PHOTO AVAILABLE AS YET - POTF-a

Post No - 7

Anakin - I can hear the drones of boredom from here :lol:



Palitoy-a Found in single figure Toltoyls Mailers



ESB-c Found in single figure Kenner Mailers

Post No - 8

At-At Commander (General Veers)



Palitoy-a PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer



Palitoy-b



ESB-c Photo courtesy of Edd Grant



ESB-h

Note to self - check for other Euro baggie for this figure

Post No - 9

At-At Driver



Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer



ESB-a - 1st issue



ESB-c



ESB-d



ESB-h (Weapons Error) packed with a Luke Hoth Rifle



ESB-h (Orange Logos)



ESB-h (Red Logos)

Both the Orange & the Red logo baggies above in ESB-h came from the same warehouse overstock find in Canada, I know the argument on actual variation vs Discoloration rages on, but IMO this is another little bit in the puzzle & for me I regard it a true variation - make up your own minds as I am not getting involved in that one! :lol:



ESB-i - Photo Courtesy of Matthew Carlilse

Post No - 10

At-St Driver



ROTJ-c Assumed to have been found in Bulk 200 figure shipping cases due to the sheer number of these out there, but not confirmed - EDIT - NOW CONFIRMED see baggies shippers section! - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-h

note to self - check for Palitoy examples

Post No - 11

B-Wing Pilot - This ones for you Tim!



Palitoy-a



Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer



Euro-j - Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)






ESB-i (EX - ESB-h Extra wide) - Note the pistol is in tape, this is normal, both versions shown here (bleed off trimmed & bleed off complete) Complete version Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-c - Found in a ROTJ Multi-Pack



ROTJ-f - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-i - which is often overlooked as an ESB-f



Kenner internal baggie V2

Post No - 12

Barada



ESB-c - Always seemed odd to me that the POTF ROTJ figure was issued in the ESB Era baggie :? this can be found with both the 1984 & 1985 date stamp / coo

Post No - 13

Ben Obi Wan



Palitoy-a PHOTO COURTESY OF DEL



Palitoy-I PHOTO COURTESY OF DEL



Palitoy-p



Palitoy-k PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer



SW-a - Small font



SW-b (White Hair)

SW-d - IMAGE NEEDED



SW-f - Photo courtesy of Gary Borbidge



ESB-a - 1st issue (grey hair version) - Photo Courtesy of Edd Grant



ESB-a 1st issue (white hair version) Found in the rare 15 figure Multi-Pack



ESB-h - Note the thin tip Palitoy issued saber tip



ESB-c (white Hair) - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-c Grey Hair

Post No - 14

Bespin Security Guard (BLACK)





ESB-c, only just adding this now 12.12.21 - it would seem there is also an ESB-c version & I suspect this is likely where the confused Cat IV rarity classification on the SWCA baggie guide came from as this one is a dam site tougher to find than it's ESB-d counterpart below which has been found in huge numbers (screenshot above) that is assuming the ESB-c is authentic which it looks to be, but no 100% conformation.



ESB-d - Said to be a Cat IV but IMO is not a Rare baggie at all, but I presume a large cache of these has been found since the SWCA baggie guide was written??, see new info regarding that last statement on the newly added ESB-c version above.

Post No - 15

Bespin Security Guard (WHITE)



Palitoy-a



Palitoy-b - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer



ESB-c Said to be a Cat III on the SWCA guide, but IMO MUCH harder to obtain than the supposed Cat IV BBSG above, I also have always found it very odd that this is the sole Kenner issued baggie type that this figure has been found in.

Post No - 16

Bib Fortuna



Euro-a



ESB-a - 1st issue



ESB-c



ESB-h



Possible ESB-h/Euro baggie - UNCONFIRMED I got this one a long time ago & the "bleed off" from the seal is missing, the bag is soft feel like Euro/Meccano type baggies, but I have no more to go on than this, I am unsure as to its authenticity, but both seals are mint & look correct & the figure is mint, shame I can not see the inside of the cape or the coo - take this one with a pinch of salt!



ROTJ-a



ROTJ-h - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer & the only known confirmed example, again 1 of the 3 ROTJ-h baggies found in the palitoy case find, never intended for onward sale

Post No - 17

Biker Scout



Palitoy-u PHOTO COURTESY OF - Kevin Bletsoe



Euro-j - Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)



ESB-d



ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-a



ROTJ-h

Post No - 18

Boba Fett



Palitoy-b Crisp bag



Palitoy-o - Nearly always mistaken for a kenner issued SW-d, please see this thread for details - http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13576



Palitoy-k - Courtesy of Chris Edlleman



Palitoy-a Tri Logo fett with Blue not blue/black blaster & to date the only known example of a tri-logo palitoy fett in a Palitoy baggie, EDIT:



Palitoy-h - soft heat sealed, this one came to me directly from an ex palitoy worker



Euro-f / Meccano, please note this is a no text baggie type & not all red sticker baggies are Euro-f's, no fett Euro-f baggies have been confirmed to date without the red stickers, these came stapled, please see the "non kenner guide for details"



SW-b, note this is the correct font for a SW-b Kenner issued Fett baggie, not the same as the one shown in the group shot on the SWCA Baggis guide, which IMO is a SW-f baggie



SW-d - Large Font





SW-d Small font V1

IMAGE NEEDED

SW-d Small font V2



SW-f Photo



ESB-a 1st issue - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ESB-a (2nd issue) I am actually not 100% convinced this is the 2nd issue or just a really minty 1st issue, will be double checking asap.



ESB-b - Exclusive to the Special offer Darth Vader carry case (Bounty hunter Edition)



ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ROTJ-a Photo Courtesy of Chris Edlleman



ROTJ-j one I almost sold a while back as I thought it was a SW-b, but when Scott (snaggletooth) popped in on me he noticed the font is actually a different type to the SW-b, which is really hard to make out as a lot of the print had worn off (photo since updated to a better one), but on super close inspection it is indeed a ROTJ-j type, which until now has never been documented before from my understanding, the heat seals are correct for the ROTJ-j baggie, so a very exciting find & one I almost let slip through my fingers, big up to Scott for saving my bacon & my fett baggie.

Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

Post No - 19

Bossk



SW-a - Small font - available in the ESB mail away offer & ESB 12 figure toy fair mock up stand



ESB-a



ESB-b - exclusive to the 1st issue special offer Darth Vaders Collectors case (bounty hunter edition) PHOTO FROM GOOGLE IMAGES



ESB-c



ESB-f



Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge

Post No - 20

C-3p0 (Fixed limb first issue) dedicated to Vince



SW-a - Small font - regard this as a super tough one to come by as it was only ever found in the special offer Landspeeder



SW-b



SW-d - Small font



SW-d Large Font Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



SW-f



ESB-a 1st issue - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo



ESB-c



ESB-h



Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge