Price Check - German General Mills 45 Back R5D4 MOC

Hi Guys.

Looking for any advice as to what would be a fair price to pay for this piece?








As always any help much appriecated.

Cheers Guys

Anyone.

Am I right in thinking this could be a Toytoni?

Jason is your man, but with it being a GM 45 back & having the english collect all 45 on it I suspect so, saw a similar DSD on ebay & asked the oracle via PM & he confirmed its most likely a TT, bummer eh, as it looks so dam good, I really badly need a ESB offerless R5 as well, so I have everything crossed for you, though sadly the outlook seems bleak :|

Saying that its a twin stem bubble & not sure Toni had any of those, so you may be in luck fingers crossed for you Liam.

Yeah I thought TT did not have twin stem bubble's as I have a Palitoy/Cipper Walrusman with one. :?

If it's not a TT I reckon about £150-£200 going on what I have seen others going for.

Thanks for the responses gents. i have PMed Jason to ask his opinion on the item.

This card is on the toni list, though there are only 11 on that list. However, it was for sale on toytoni.com with
the exact same bubble so I'm saying Toni on this one. Photo from toytoni.com on wayback.org:-



Jason

Thanks for clearing it Jason. Appriecated. As I said above I have notified the seller he is asking 250 Euros

Bummer, when I saw the twin stem I figured you may be in luck there Liam, its a bitch to find a DSD or R5 on offerless ESB's as I am sure your aware.

toytoni strikes again :evil:

Everything seems to be a TT unless it's got Kenner on the front. This R5 looks fine to me? WTF. :evil:

Interesting that the bubble is starting to yellow and it seems to have some edgewear.

I can't recall seeing many TTs with yellowing bubbles.

Bubble yellowing is a factor of how the bubble is stored, I've seen 4 Toni's from Singapore all with really yellow bubbles that had turned that way due to the heat and humidity.

Jason

I'm not saying your wrong Jason as you clearly know more than most on this subject and who am I to question. But this combination of card and bubble is known to be factory sealed. Without a better photo how can you be sure? If there is any doubt then it's a TT for me but you need to be carefull sticking your neck out. These waters are murky enough as it is.

Hi Liam,

If we look closely at the full size picture, we can easily see that the seal looks genuine



Now, the R5 was well on Toni's lists , but this does not necessarily mean that it has been forged. Toni also aquired genuine blisters.
It's a false thought to think that everything sold by Toni is necessarily "forged". Toni also sold genuine factory sealed carded figures.
Hence there are a lot of possibilities that R5 is 100% real.

My2C

JC

How does the seal on that look any different from the one I posted from toytoni.com?

Jason

mr_palitoy said:

How does the seal on that look any different from the one I posted from toytoni.com?

Jason

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Hi Jason,

It looks pretty much the same at first sight, but the Toni picture you provided is to small to tell... The seal on Liam's R5 follows the same pattern all arround the edges. The bubble side in contact with the cardboard is not fully sealed to the very edge ends as it happens with genuine seals.

I am sure if Liam send us correct pictures of the back, we'll appreciate the weavy depression caused by the original die.

JC :wink:

panastur said:

mr_palitoy said:

How does the seal on that look any different from the one I posted from toytoni.com?

Jason

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Hi Jason,

It looks pretty much the same at first sight, but the Toni picture you provided is to small to tell... The seal on Liam's R5 follows the same pattern all arround the edges. The bubble side in contact with the cardboard is not fully sealed to the very edge ends as it happens with genuine seals.

I am sure if Liam send us correct pictures of the back, we'll appreciate the weavy depression caused by the original die.

JC :wink:

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You can see the same kind of seal on the one I posted from Toytoni.com on the right hand bubble edge. A picture of the back
of the card would help. Increased pressing/indent round the bubble area on the back of the card is a sign of a factory
seal too.

cheers Jason

Thanks for the input Jason and JC.

Certainly very interesting and this reintegrates the point that more confirmed factual evidence needs to come to light on this. Something which I cant see happening unfortunately