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41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:35 pm

Hi

I recently acquired 41 items which I think are the old Kenner card proofs. They're all square cut, not printed on the back and the outline of the hole punch is printed, but it hasn't been cut out. They also look like they were cut in error as they've cut the top across the wording.

About 3/4 or so of them have a rectangular outline of glue and while I know little about these items, I've spent a lot of time in printers and they look like they were probably being used to fine tune the gluing process. (Some of them aren't lined up properly) Many have a rectangular outline of print on the back which makes me think they might have been stacked at some point.

Has anyone come across these/bought and sold them?

Some of them don't look the best because of the glue, but if they're what I think they are they're a genuine piece of the production history... Any links/info is much appreciated as I've found a lot of information on general card proofs, but these seem to be rare and in some cases unheard of?

Hope they're of interest & thanks for the help!

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby maxf » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:07 pm

If you can prove they are genuine and they are all SW fronts, there could be about several hundred thousand dollars worth in 41 of them.... IF they are genuine proofs. The blank back SW proofs I had never had anything like a punch marked on them though, which I think you're saying these do. The colours look odd too, so it really depends on the trail back to where you got them, then getting them authenticated - I'd contact Tom Derby if this isnt a wind -up.
Looking for Palitoy mailers and MOCs...

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm

Hi buddy

Thanks for the reply... I can assure you that I’m genuine, even if the cards aren’t... as you can imagine, it feels like holding a lottery ticket and not knowing if it’s real... also, thanks for the referral... I’ll try and reach out and see if he can help.

As for the colours... some of them are WAY out, which made me think they were misprints being used for the gluing process.

Have put a couple more pictures below,including g some of the ropier glues/off colour ones.

Once again, thanks for the help... it’s much appreciated
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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Snaketibe » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:50 pm

Well it's very hard to say without having them in hand of course, but they don't look like they've been glued to me; there are no tears anywhere on the cards. What they look like is water-damaged, and not only that, the card ink (especially the black) looks to have run, which is not something I would expect to see with litho printed cards; it's something I would expect to see with repro inkjet printed cards.

I'm not saying these are repro, but let's face it, that's a damn sight more likely than them being genuine proof cards. However, to help determine which they are, it would help if you could post some better quality photos, especially any that show a glossy finish to the cards, as all of the photos so far make the cards look like they have a matte finish, which is instantly suspicious and again indicative of repro inkjet printed efforts.

I hope for the sake of the vintage Star Wars collecting community that these genuinely are proof cards, but neither am I holding my breath...

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:00 pm

Hi

There’s glue on some of them as when I run my finger over them you can feel it... the glue looks to follow the path of where the bubble plastic would join the card.

personally, I think it’s more likely they’re something iffy rather than valuable, but that’s Cos I’m a pessimist... few closer shots coming up:

Ps... they are glossy, but the card is thicker than any I’ve seen described online. Very rigid.
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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Palifan » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:13 pm

I'm going to say that these are repro card backs looking at the print quality and I have a dodgy polity R2 12 back that looks very similar to your Kenner R2 12 back. There's something quite off about the picture colour on the R2 (and Leia), that I've seen before with repro cards.

This is just my thoughts on them and I'd say they were printed but due to the colour running they were probably cast to one side. Out of interest where did you pick them up? This info might help to know a bit about them.

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:19 pm

Hi

Yep, the ink has run slightly in the areas where the glue has touched it. Looks worse on the pictures than in real life

Not much of a back story, but they were part of a large collection of corgi toys. Guy who sold them seemed very interested in the corgi stuff and had no interest in these... it was in the UK.

Thanks everyone for the feedback... it’s much appreciated!

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby SublevelStudios » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:23 pm

Litho print doesn't run like this in my experience. Water does not affect the ink in that way, it damages the card sure, but the inks won't run. This looks like inkjets to me.

To find such proofs in the UK like this would be very strange, especially the 12 backs.

The colours also look washed out. I agree with Ian (Palifan) here, these are repro cards, sorry.

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:31 pm

Don’t apologise matey... will reach out to a few experts, but would rather find out early than when I’m counting the cash.

One thing which might not come across in the pictures... it 100% isn’t water damage... it’s theglue path which has effected it.

When I worked in a printers we had a bunch of off cuts we used for gluing proofs... hoped that was the case:-)

Cheers for the feedback everyone, even if it’s not good news!

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mini99 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:37 pm

Why would Kenner proofs be over here?
I might understand Palitoy ones.
What does the ink on the card look like when highly magnified?
I’m sure that your away that inkjet looks pixelated I believe. :?

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby SublevelStudios » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:47 pm

Another thing to note is the hole punch - this would never be printed and appear on the card.

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby indianawars » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:57 pm

From what I understand (or thought I knew), the rim of the bubble had the glue on and was then pressed up against the backing card. I'm not overly sure why Kenner would still be fine-tuning the glueing process all the way up to the ROTJ line?

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mini99 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:04 pm

indianawars wrote:From what I understand (or thought I knew), the rim of the bubble had the glue on and was then pressed up against the backing card. I'm not overly sure why Kenner would still be fine-tuning the glueing process all the way up to the ROTJ line?

Good point.

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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:08 pm

Hi all

Please don’t think that I’m making excuses, because I’m not saying these are real, but the hole punch thing was the one which didn’t make sense to me... it’s completely unnecessary given the way holes are punched, but I did see this picture in my research On swspaceclub and they’ve got them on there. No idea why because it makes it more obvious if it was misaligned.

Completely agree it doesn’t make sense.

I’m about to go to bed, but before that I’ll post a close up of the best quality one and the worst one for comparison...
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Re: 41 discovered card Proofs

Postby Mrplankwalker » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:21 pm

These are what I’d class as the best two... glossy, shiny and all round good quality

Also, on some of these ther seems to be more blue in the borders than the ones I find on line
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