Trilogo accessories; miscard or intentional?

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Is your Trilogo Endor Han MOC packed with a blue/black or solid black blaster?

Solid Black
4
36%
Blue Black
7
64%
 
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TK-7785 wrote:A recent thread elsewhere on the forum to do with trilogo Luke Stormtroopers and their packaging with blue/black blasters over solid black has got me thinking. I know this has been discussed before and others have attempted polls even to try and ascertain the ratio of Lukes with either or but it'd great to see the results from the polling of a greater selection of MOCs.

But the discussion on whether this was an intentional decision vs just chucking in whatever colour blaster was to hand is still open for debate. If indeed it was a case of laziness due to being the end of the line for Star Wars action figures I would expect to see a similarly common miss matched approach with other figures/accessories. For example, blue/grey Endor blasters with A-Wing pilots and Imperial Gunners.

It seems plausible that the last 17 would suffer this "miscard" accessory phenomena somewhat more exclusively given they were the end of the line in the dying days of the original vintage era. However, I have personally yet to come across a Trilogo Han Trenchcoat that wasn't packaged with a blue/black blaster, yet it is well established that the Kenner counterpart was the only figure intended to be packaged with a solid black smuggler blaster. Admittedly this is my own experience and too anecdotal to really inform one way or the other.

To my mind the fact that so many Palitoy trilogo Han Trenchcoats seem to have been packaged with blue/black blasters long before the line to was dying would lend credence to Palitoy intentionally packing blue/black blasters with certain figures. Or at the very least if blue/black blasters can be found with certain figures with a ratio somewhere even with their black counterpart it would seem plausible that this is actually a valid market variation between the US and Europe, rather than an error. Perhaps in an effort to use up existing stock.

To further support this theory, and again this is somewhat anecdotal based on my own buying and collecting experience over the years, if all Endor Hans that came from Palitoy only ever saw release on Trilogo cards and were packed with blue/black blasters and the only Han Endors that made it to retail in the UK with black blasters were Kenner overstock, this would explain why black smuggler blasters are so uncommon over here despite him being an extremely common figure. If this theory carries over to Luke Stormtroopers then again, it seems to point towards the fact that this was somewhat intentional on the part of Palitoy.

I've started a poll in this thread in the hopes that all you guys could check your trilogo Han Trenchcoats to see which blaster they're packed with; blue/black or solid black. I've attached photo reference to help.
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Depending on the findings it would be interesting to roll this out further to get a greater cross section.

If you aren't 100% positive of yours being a true V4 solid black, please post a photo for identification before voting. If you have a Trilogo Han Endor with a solid black blaster would you please post photos to this thread. A clear shot on the accessory and a shot of the figure and card as a whole. it would be great to see if there is any corresponding variations between those with and those without.


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Hi chris I think it is great that you are doing this, have thought about doing this with other moc ? :D
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Thanks, buddy. At the moment I'd just like to get a handle on this guy, given he was always one of my favourites and seems to be one of those that exhibits a real difference in how they were sold in different markets along with the likes of Yak Face.

It's slow going so far as I'm assuming there must be more than 8 Trilogo Hans in the hands of forum members. :lol: Likewise, and I don't mean any disrespect here, it would seem that the correct identification of the accessory by it's owner is the first hurdle. I think the poll results have already been skewed as a result unfortunately. I am continuing to observe examples I find in person, but as yet am yet to find one Trilogo Han with a v4 solid black blaster as he packaged on all Kenner cards (bar any minor anomalies).

I know one of the 3 votes for solid black has been shown to be an error after visual checking. I'd be very grateful if the other two voters would post photos to either credit or discredit in case of misidentification.

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Has there ever been a solid black blaster confirmed on a Han trench tri- logo ? Or Luke stormie for that matter. I suspect there hasn’t. There’s the possibility the solid black may never have been sent to Europe in the first place, by choice or mistake.

They are so hard to tell the difference I would think Palitoy didn’t notice or even knew what Kenner intended.
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Markzane wrote:Has there ever been a solid black blaster confirmed on a Han trench tri- logo ? Or Luke stormie for that matter. I suspect there hasn’t. There’s the possibility the solid black may never have been sent to Europe in the first place, by choice or mistake.

They are so hard to tell the difference I would think Palitoy didn’t notice or even knew what Kenner intended.
Absolutely, Mark. And I suspect we will never know the true answer. But I hope to get a better picture of what may have happened. I've never seen a solid black blaster with a Trilogo Han or Luke Stormtrooper either. My suspicion is that this isn't a slap dash mistake, rather more of a European market/Palitoy variation in manufacturing and marketing...for whatever reason. A level of consistency with those two figures surely points to an a rule rather than an exception. And not that I give a hoot about grading, but maybe having it accepted that a Luke Stormtrooper can be graded as a Palitoy figure with a blue black blaster might help somewhat to alleviate the craziness that seems to surround that little bugger, the solid black Imperial blaster. :lol:
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TK-7785 wrote:Thanks, buddy. At the moment I'd just like to get a handle on this guy, given he was always one of my favourites and seems to be one of those that exhibits a real difference in how they were sold in different markets along with the likes of Yak Face.

It's slow going so far as I'm assuming there must be more than 8 Trilogo Hans in the hands of forum members. :lol: Likewise, and I don't mean any disrespect here, it would seem that the correct identification of the accessory by it's owner is the first hurdle. I think the poll results have already been skewed as a result unfortunately. I am continuing to observe examples I find in person, but as yet am yet to find one Trilogo Han with a v4 solid black blaster as he packaged on all Kenner cards (bar any minor anomalies).

I know one of the 3 votes for solid black has been shown to be an error after visual checking. I'd be very grateful if the other two voters would post photos to either credit or discredit in case of misidentification.

Chris
Hi Chris, your welcome :D I can't see the result because I have not voted since I do not have one :lol: I hope you find the info you are searching for. I must admit it could be cool to have a guide about what weapon variants that was packed on all type of cards, but that would be a huge project :D But I guess some of them would be hard to ID if the bubbles are yellow :?
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A Palitoy grading is a good idea. Like I said before , the difference is so minute between blue/black and black visually I don’t think any kids would have noticed at time, let alone checked them with a flash light. It hardly seems worth being an intentional difference.

Maybe one factory only had black dye available so used that and it ended up with the POTF Lukes and Han trench only, after all there are no new blue dye accessories for the last 17 but a few black ones.
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You have to consider the fact that it appears to be a conscious decision by the Kenner design team to move towards a more "accurate" colour for accessories late in the Jedi line and into the Power Of The Force. By the time the Droids line appeared most if not all blasters that had previously been a multitude of shades of blue, grey etc were now true solid black. Whether this was a design/aesthetic decision or an effort to streamline production...who knows.
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Still looking for evidence if anyone would care to share some photos of their Hans.

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Sorry it took a while but I have my Mocs out of storage.

Han Trench has a blue black blaster
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So does Luke Stormy
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My gunner and a wing pilot both have the correct black blasters though. These are clippers if it makes any difference
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Clarkspie&chips wrote:Sorry it took a while but I have my Mocs out of storage.

Han Trench has a blue black blaster

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So does Luke Stormy

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My gunner and a wing pilot both have the correct black blasters though. These are clippers if it makes any difference

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That's great, mate. Thank you!
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