jayums wrote:TLJ not only managed to not resolve any of the interesting questions posed by TFA (thereby retroactively making TFA a worse film than it was), but it also finished without leaving anything vaguely interesting for the last film to do.This film will have to almost start again from scratch.
This sums up my thoughts on what you said, Jay.
I am genuinely happy for those that enjoyed the film and are excited to see what happens next. I also wish I felt differently about it all, but it was all so lacking in the planning, plot and script that I just don't care about it. I will probably see it at some point, maybe even just wait to borrow the DVD of a mate out of morbid curiosity. But at this point it feels like all they can do to pull people in is scrape out whatever is left of the OT nostalgia barrel in the hopes of making a distraction so that people will be tricked into seeing it.
If Palpatine is back, or rather never died, doesn't that render the whole 6 film struggle watching the raise of tyranny, the decent of an entire galaxy into imperial dictatorship along with the Anakin following suit, then watching the redemption of Anakin and freeing of the galaxy somewhat all undone?
One of the most important aspects of a middle act in a trilogy is to leave us with a sense that our heroes are in a tight spot and us wondering how they'll overcome the obstacles before them. Empire gave us the very definition of that and ATOC left us as the galaxy was spiralling into civil war. When we left the gang at the end of TLJ we have an enemy that hasn't really ever got the upper hand over our heroes. The "Death Star III" was destroyed in TFA and Rey had bested one of the main villains...ergo the bad guys don't really feel like that much of a threat. In TLJ the main villains are a mix of Hux, who feels like a jumped up regional office manager, the kind of guy that you wonder how he ever got to be in the top position he's in as he seems so damn incompetent. Kylo who is still out done by Luke who didn't even have to show up in person to prove how inept he is, and is still at best a match to Rey and can't beat her. Then there's Snoke, who is outwitted by the guy who can't beat the main protagonist. So it just feels like the good guys are up against a bunch of incompetent cartoon villains that just shout and have temper tantrums a lot. They don't actually have the tactical intelligence to out whit the good guys at any point. Yet even that being that case, our good guys still find themselves scripted into a pickle. There's just no real tension or sense of struggle in this...that's assuming you don't count the 2 hour long, 5 mph space chase that seems tactically flawed and as about exciting as watching paint dry.
Like others have said, there are some fantastic visuals and cinematography in the ST, not surprising given the money behind it, but it's all a bit mutton dressed as lamb to me. After TLJ I began to think the best thing Disney could have done in creating new Star Wars films is to think very carefully about fucking with the any of the characters that had come before, OT and PT. By all means create a new trilogy that follows after the events of ROTJ, but perhaps it would have been far better to just crate entirely new characters, worlds and events that have no real relation or tie in with Luke, Han, Leia et al. Unless...you were going to start the trilogy with the gang together handing the baton over to the new kids and let them go with it. I think Disney have tried to cater to everyone and created something mediocre as a result. Either go full on in honouring the OT or leave it well alone. This is why I feel the use of Palpatine and Lando this time right is somewhat disingenuous.
Still, for now I'm very much looking forward to the Mandalorian, Cassian and Kenobi series.