Secret Santa Reveals

I really don't think Nick would intentionally rip someone off for £25. He gave a load of freebies out when he was late posting stuff on his fs thread, he sold a load of last 17 and blue snags at ff for prices well below market value as it was all he paid for them and has a collection of spares large enough that he didn't need to buy anything to fulfil his ss. Why would he use the ss to deliberately rip someone off for £25?

I have spoken to Nick about this thread. He doesn't like confrontation. He was very unlikely to respond to the thread before hand, so there is no way he will now.

This SWFUK lynch mob mentality seems to be getting worst and worst. We have a forum owner and admins to decide who gets to be on the forum and who doesn't. Let them do their job.
 
Mr-shifter said:
I really don't think Nick would intentionally rip someone off for £25. He gave a load of freebies out when he was late posting stuff on his fs thread, he sold a load of last 17 and blue snags at ff for prices well below market value as it was all he paid for them and has a collection of spares large enough that he didn't need to buy anything to fulfil his ss. Why would he use the ss to deliberately rip someone off for £25?

agree with most of this. The freebies was a goodwill gesture for very late posting. not sure about well below market value part as I thought the prices were fair ones.

I have spoken to Nick about this thread. He doesn't like confrontation. He was very unlikely to respond to the thread before hand, so there is no way he will now.

That makes no sense. How does taking a photo of a receipt lead to confrontation? Any time between Dec 23rd and 28th would have been fine. It's the silence which has been the problem here. As far as Nick knew there was no confrontation as I was left to deal with it. I'd defy Nick to find a single aggressive pm or message from me. I repeatedly asked for a receipt or tracking number. Nothing. Now I don't think Nick is a scammer per se but the evidence to me suggests that the parcel wasn't sent based on balance of probability. Parcel 2? Even less likely as after he knew the problems still no receipt. Parcel 3? Yeah right. I don't think he'll understand half of what I did for him. But his actions have been piss poor here.

This SWFUK lynch mob mentality seems to be getting worst and worst. We have a forum owner and admins to decide who gets to be on the forum and who doesn't. Let them do their job.

It's not for me to call for a banning on the forum. I asked Edd what he thought and he was all for giving the benefit of the doubt. I will say though that I can't see how he could be on the SS again or how he can be trusted in trades. All of his own making I'm afraid. I'm happy to listen to any reason why no receipt has been shown since the problem was identified in mid December
 
Richard_H said:
I have spoken to Nick about this thread. He doesn't like confrontation. He was very unlikely to respond to the thread before hand, so there is no way he will now.

That makes no sense. How does taking a photo of a receipt lead to confrontation? Any time between Dec 23rd and 28th would have been fine. It's the silence which has been the problem here. As far as Nick knew there was no confrontation as I was left to deal with it. I'd defy Nick to find a single aggressive pm or message from me. I repeatedly asked for a receipt or tracking number. Nothing. Now I don't think Nick is a scammer per se but the evidence to me suggests that the parcel wasn't sent based on balance of probability. Parcel 2? Even less likely as after he knew the problems still no receipt. Parcel 3? Yeah right. I don't think he'll understand half of what I did for him. But his actions have been piss poor here.

I am not talking about your pms here. I have no idea of the content of those, nor do I wish to know. That is none of my business. I am talking about the calls for him to come onto this thread and explain himself, which seems to be what people want.
 
Look...a few of us made this right and I am happy with that. I t was the right thing to do in respect to a new member and in respect to our forum.
 
The calling to explain himself is also for him to post his side of it. There'll be many who, correctly, will be thinking that this is one side of the story. Anyone who knows Nick, and I've had a few pms, would be shocked by what's been said on here. It is certainly something I never expected and I lost count of the pms I sent to Paul saying relax don't worry he'll come good. Before ending up looking like a right tit.
 
This isn't good. Nick doesn't want confrontation, I get that - but we're adults, not children (yes I see the irony :lol: ). Anyone who valued the community could and should come out to sort things.

At this stage, as far as I can see, the damage can be undone. Just needs nick to make a some reparation. An apology is not that hard to make. Come on dude...
 
I personally dont understand why Nick cant come on here and just apologize and make it right, there doesn't have to be a confrontation, this could be sorted out easily, but the longer it goes on the more people think you don't give a ****.

As for banning, (deffo from the SS) but from the forum - that's not my call but if he stays away and no apology then i cant see sense in keeping a member who cant just say sorry and we all move on. Its his reputation.
 
It was a shame that a couple of issues spoiled another otherwise successful Secret Santa, my only advice going forwards is that if you wish to participate in future treat it like any kind of charity/good will gesture, only give what you are happy to lose and don't expect anything in return. Although 99% of people taking part in these things are good guys it can only take one participant to spoil it (or in the case of charity donations the organiser or recipient!) but as somebody else said this is supposed to be about the giving, not the receiving. I must admit the main reason I haven't participated in recent years is because the price keeps increasing, I would rather spend £30ish on my own collection as I'm far more likely to get something I really want if I pick it myself. Where as £5-£10 items are never going to wow anybody but there's still a nice gesture and it doesn't really matter if it gets lost/doesn't materialise it.
 
Mr-shifter said:
I really don't think Nick would intentionally rip someone off for £25. He gave a load of freebies out when he was late posting stuff on his fs thread, he sold a load of last 17 and blue snags at ff for prices well below market value as it was all he paid for them and has a collection of spares large enough that he didn't need to buy anything to fulfil his ss. Why would he use the ss to deliberately rip someone off for £25?

I have spoken to Nick about this thread. He doesn't like confrontation. He was very unlikely to respond to the thread before hand, so there is no way he will now.

This SWFUK lynch mob mentality seems to be getting worst and worst. We have a forum owner and admins to decide who gets to be on the forum and who doesn't. Let them do their job.

There's no lynch mob mentality here. It's a case of do the right thing or prepare to be called out. It's not the playground were in. Your supposed to stand up and be counted if your sending AND recieveing gifts. Nick ****ed up and hasn't made it good, he's had months, others stepped up and still nothing's sorted. Poor form. Just my 2 pence worth.
 
Been watching this thread and reading the comments over the last few days, this evening I went back to the first post in the thread and read through them all again, anyone who thinks the Secret Santa is a waste of time or won't be participating again please go back and look through the fantastic posts made of people showing their presents and the genoristy of the senders.

Now with regards to Nick, I've met and spent many hours drinking with Nick at the last three Farthest Froms and the bloke is a nice, decent bloke. So to read the comments about him being banned from the forum saddens me.

Obviously recording the podcast with Rich we talk regularly and have been aware of this situation over the last few months and was disappointed to hear that Nick wasn't answering Richards messages and had still not shown evidence of the three postage receipts for the parcels he claims to have sent. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that these parcels were never sent as if you had receipts you would take a quick snap on your phone and send the picture just to prove you've done it and get rich off your back.

What I think has happened is that Nick told rich he posted the original parcel and he hadn't actually got round to sending it, I believe he had every intention of sending it but just never got round to it, the days go by and he never got round to sending it, rich questions the whereabouts he comes up with another story saying it must have got lost and he'll send out a second, and so on and so on. One little lie, which I'm sure nick had the best of intentions, turns into two, three, four lies and gets out of hand.

Sadly the member who was due to receive the gift from Nick has come out and named and shamed him, and he has every right to, he's left it until March and has given Nick every opportunity to rectify the situation.

Luckily three selfless forum members have sorted out an alternate gift for Paul and proved just what a great community this is.

Hopefully Nick will come on this thread and put this right, by either putting up evidence of the three postage receipts, which I'm pretty certain don't exist, or just coming on here, holding his hands up saying he made a bad judgement and made a mistake and apologise to everyone who has been caught up in this mess. Like I said at start of message Nick is a really nice lad and wouldn't want to see him hounded away from the community, but it really does need him to address the situation and have the decency to tell everyone the truth and if he did overlook sending it make some apologises and try and rescue this situation.
 
It's never too late to rectify a situation.

There are all sorts if things that could conspire to end up where the situation is now, things that we may not have sight of.

I for one would never judge anyone unless I had all the facts, and even then give the benefit of the doubt. Nick mate, just drop in, make an apology, then move on.

It's a shame for the new member who had to be on the end of this, and a lot of respect should be given for the patience and waiting he did, but I can fully understand how this would make him feel.

As has been said this I only my opinion, and the tone of this thread is testament to the type of guys on this forum.

Massive respect to the members who stepped in to soften the blow.
 
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