Should live or recently ended eBay auctions be allowed to be outed on SWF

[Joe]

I'm down with a 7 days grace on ebay only.

It's a dog eat dog world out there for collectors!

Qft

Sadly friendships are often forgotten on the battleground (eBay) and actually it is still quite easy to miss certain auctions on there, even if you search regularly. 9 times out of ten, when people are alerted to something of interest to them via a link on a forum and they hadn't seen it..they'll probably bid too..


I'm obviously anti outing but I'm willing to listen if someone could show me one single case where outing a legit live auction on a collector forum didn't go completely tits up. Honestly I would love to see it.

 

[mr_palitoy]

This would be a great help.

All of my notable csrdback wins in the last few years have been outed on the forum, normally within hours of the auction ending. I am amazed I haven't lost any to backdooring yet.

You're all blaming FB rather than this forum. None of my cardback auctions have been outed on FB. They have all been outed on this forum.

Cheers Jason

 

[Twin30mm]

FWIW, after my cock-up with the Uzay R5, I'm definitely in favour of the 7-day rule.
Hopefully, it would prevent any more (unintentional) embarrassments and protect the bidders/buyers.

On a personal note, it's opened my eyes to the seedier side of the hobby.
To such an extent, that it's made me seriously question my desire to be part of a hobby that I've loved since the late 70's.

Backdooring - What the f*ck is the matter with people. Unbelievable.

 

[SublevelStudios]

You're all blaming FB rather than this forum. None of my cardback auctions have been outed on FB. They have all been outed on this forum.

Perhaps none your cardback auctions, but I've seen loads of others.

 

[Grant_C]

You're all blaming FB rather than this forum. None of my cardback auctions have been outed on FB. They have all been outed on this forum.

Cheers Jason

Not every auction outing is about you mate.

Plus Facebook dominates over SWFUK in terms of poor regulation, different rules, multiple participants, multiple threads and non-community minded collectors.

Facebook dominates outing regardless of your cardbacks and is very much a part of the discussion on SWFUK regulation on auction outings.

 

[Pomse2001]

I think it is great that we can share links to the auctions.

If it has not been for you guys then I would not have learned about vectis and got the chance you buy some nice items on vectis.

The same with ebay, some of you guys have shared some links to some great items on ebay.

But I do not like backdooring, that people cancel auctions and sell to other people when we have placed a bid on the auction.

 

[Mr-shifter]

what Facebook does and doesn't do shouldn't stop us having standards and decent behaviour on here should it? Facebook is effectively the jungle, and should be treated as such.

 

[Grant_C]

obvious. :roll: :lol:

 

[SublevelStudios]

I think it is great that we can share links to the auctions.

The same with ebay, some of you guys have shared some links to some great items on ebay.

I agree, I share loads of live auction listings with friends and other forum members who I know are looking for particular pieces, but I do so privately.

 

[edd_jedi]

I'm late to the party on this as I've been away on holiday. Personally I completely agree with banning outing closed/completed auctions, for obvious reasons like back-dooring. But as some will know I am 100% against banning live auctions which is why there's no rule here, it's not that I never thought of it. For a start I often post live auctions in the eBay section because I like helping others find things they may be looking for. What do we do with that section, delete it?

There is only one reason people don't like outing live actions - greed. We all like to get a bargain, I've had many myself over the years, but nobody is entitled to one at the seller's expense. Sorry but the 'seller should have done their research' argument doesn't wash with me, a lack of knowledge doesn't mean a little old lady should be swindled out of hundreds of pounds. I'm sure you guys would all be pissed if you sold something on eBay and later found out it was worth ten times more.

 

[Mr-shifter]

I'm not sure the proverbial little old lady would be selling on eBay tbh. Maybe I'm wrong but that sort of scenario is far more likely in the local paper or a friend of a friend of a friend's granny, or a response to a gumtree wanted ad.

If you are asked to appraise a collection, then that's something where you need scruples and morals, especially if you are trying to buy it.

eBay selling is a different kettle of fish. If I sold something for peanuts and realised it was worth 10 times more, I would be angry at myself for not doing my homework.

And this most recent issue is not greed.

Ps hope you had a nice holiday, ed.

 

[SublevelStudios]

I'm not sure the proverbial little old lady would be selling on eBay tbh. Maybe I'm wrong but that sort of scenario is far more likely in the local paper or a friend of a friend of a friend's granny, or a response to a gumtree wanted ad.

If you are asked to appraise a collection, then that's something where you need scruples and morals, especially if you are trying to buy it.

eBay selling is a different kettle of fish. If I sold something for peanuts and realised it was worth 10 times more, I would be angry at myself for not doing my homework.

And this most recent issue is not greed.

Ps hope you had a nice holiday, ed.

Agreed.

 

[edd_jedi]

I'm not sure the proverbial little old lady would be selling on eBay tbh. Maybe I'm wrong but that sort of scenario is far more likely in the local paper or a friend of a friend of a friend's granny, or a response to a gumtree wanted ad.

It happens all the time mate. A lady sold a trilogo Luke Bespin worth £3-400 as a £50 BIN on eBay a couple of months back listed as 'Luke Star Wars figure' or something. You guys are kidding yourself if you think every bargain on eBay is coming from a knowledgeable dealer.

 

[Pomse2001]

I think it is great that we can share links to the auctions.

The same with ebay, some of you guys have shared some links to some great items on ebay.

I agree, I share loads of live auction listings with friends and other forum members who I know are looking for particular pieces, but I do so privately.

I agree but I don't think any know all the items I am looking after so I do not get many pm

 

[SublevelStudios]

I'm not sure the proverbial little old lady would be selling on eBay tbh. Maybe I'm wrong but that sort of scenario is far more likely in the local paper or a friend of a friend of a friend's granny, or a response to a gumtree wanted ad.

It happens all the time mate. A lady sold a trilogo Luke Bespin worth £3-400 as a £50 BIN on eBay a couple of months back listed as 'Luke Star Wars figure' or something. You guys are kidding yourself if you think every bargain on eBay is coming from a knowledgeable dealer.

Are you saying then that sellers should be notified that there item is worth more than what they are asking?

The fact she was selling it for £50 leads me to believe she had some idea of what she'd got.

 

[edd_jedi]

What I'm saying is that Star Wars collecting isn't all about 'you', sometimes you need to think about somebody other than yourself. Do you really NEED a cheap toy? No of course not. The lady that sold the Luke may be struggling and an extra £300 would have meant a holiday for her kids or something.

There are far too many vultures in this hobby these days, it's one of the things I find least attractive about it. It pisses me off when the first reply to a newbie asking for a valuation is 'PM sent', again it's just pure greed and desperation.

 

[Mr-shifter]

I would pose a couple of fictional scenarios.

Firstly, take the tri luke bespin. If I find that auction, what am I to do. It's a bin. Do I email the seller and tell her I want to pay more? Am I allowed to buy it? I can't do any more than pay what's being asked. It's her fault. Why do a bin unless you know what an item is worth. If I don't buy it someone else soon will.

I will give a second scenario. I'm after a tri yak. If I find a badly listed one, let's say I put what I think is a fair bid in, £500. Now, this figure is available readily at stupid money. It could sell for more but it isn't worth more. The auction ends and my winning bid is £160. I was willing to pay more but it didn't happen.

That afternoon, I get an email saying they have been offered more. I tell them I will pay £500 but it's not enough. It's not greed that has driven me to try to win the item, it's the desire for the item for my collection. But it's greed that would have caused me to loose out.

A week later the said item is up for sale on Facebook graded for £1500.

Who's worst, me for trying to get the item at a fair price, the seller for ****ing someone over or the flipper for ****ing everyone over.

 

[edd_jedi]

£500 for a trilogo Yak Face is a reasonable price (in fact a bit on the high side IMO, I wouldn't pay more than £350 for one.) £50 for a trilogo Luke Bespin is not a reasonable price, it was worth more than that in the mid 90s. There are grey areas here, and unfortunately most people don't seem to be able to exercise common sense.

 

[theslider]

I think we should be allowed to post recently ended auctions in the eBay auctions board, but could that board be only accessible to members with over 50 posts (don't know if this is possible?)

Or just make it a private board for long standing members who you know aren't going to stab you in the back.

That's my twopenneth.

 

[Mr-shifter]

I agree there are grey areas. And I also agree that what happens with valuations threads on this forum is not pleasant. I get embarrassed for some people the way they behave when something comes up for sale. That is pure greed. 99% of it is stuff that will be bought to flip as it's usually big loose incomplete collections.

One one hand you could say you are protecting sellers, on the other, you could be causing buyers to loose out on items they have been chasing for years that rarely come up for sale. Who do you want to look out for or is there a happy medium?