Right sorry for my delay getting back on here to post a reply, it's been a busy day & not had time get on with other commitments.
First point I would like to go into is the accusation of Jeff actually making baggies, as I put in the OP - " if he is not making them himself then he is heavily involved in selling them as nearly all examples that we have confirmed trace back to him either directly or indirectly" which everyone seems to be up in arms about.
You can see by the above statement that it was never stated "he is making them" it was stated that he could be making them or having them made with so many (most of them) tracing back to him, so if we remove the is he isn't he making them from the equation, as short of a photo of him sitting there with a stamper or stencil & baggie in hand it's a mute point & one we most likely never be able to resolve (sadly), the point was made due to so many all tracing back to the same place & maybe indeed poor wording on my part.
So focusing on the main issue IMO which would be has he & is he selling fakes knowingly & has he been doing so for long enough to have been made aware of these fakes, I would have to say a firm yes, I am not the only one to have returned multiple baggies to him for a refund & made him fully aware of the issues with each when I have done so.
Are we good friends as Jeff has made out to everyone & not just in the podcast which BTW no I have not listen'd to, no we are acquaintances who have spoken via email & phone on numerous occasions, for the most part Jeff asking me for info on various baggies, like conformation of types & values, I have always answered all questions he has asked to the best of my understanding as I do with everyone who wants help & on occasion I have told him this baggie & that baggie is not right & not to sell it on, sadly the red baggie I spoke of before were indeed offered up for sale after I said they were not right, also very sadly I do not have screen grabs to confirm this as it was about 2 years ago & at a time I did not know how to do screen shots as I am not what you would call very I.T savvy myself, but they were indeed sold back off on his account.
As for the podcast thing, I feel it's a total farce! I requested that no other forum or other face book group this was linked on have comments on & that ALL discussion regarding this be in one place for no other reason than clarity, so everyone writes things down in black & white & the information provided can be looked at by all in one place & both sides of the situation looked at in detail, as I said I spoke with Jeff directly on the phone for an hour & a half & he confirmed he would post on here, not on face book not on an interview but I see that never materialized & a hastily done podcast was put together, the podcast done by those who most vehemently defended Jeff on here might I add, not one member of the investigations group was contacted in any way to ask if there are any prudent questions that should be put forward, nor were any members of the team asked if they would be willing to be interviewed, I even spoke to one of the interviewers who said there were 10 minutes to prepare before the interview - seems really well thought out that & I am sure many questions that needed asking were omitted, this is not a judge of character not to find out if I or Jeff are nice fellows to chat to.
Whilst on the subject of the podcast, I have been asked on at least 3 occasions if I would be willing to do a slot for one on baggies, each time I have declined as public speaking is not my thing at all, hell I don't even like chatting on the phone if it can be helped, the written word or face to face conversations is where I am more comfortable, so thats the way I do things & always have done.
& still on the same subject really - why could jeff not take a moment to make an account on her as he said he would, hell it's take no time at all & here is a very easy user interface thats simple to use, much easier than ebay, yet he manages to post a reply on face book in the only place it's likely to not get seen by many as it'son the pinned rules post, I just don't buy the I am not tech savvy thing one bit, I am not great on computers myself, but I know here is a lot easier to deal with than ebay is, I have not got a smartphone, I do not own an I'pad or I'pod or whatever they are, hell I don't even know how to do a simple spreadsheet, yet I manage fine here, it's not rocket science really is it.
15 to 20 baggies in question - really??, think we have unearthed more than that with the few members in the investigations group alone of which only a few are big time baggie collectors, I still have a few myself all from Jeff that I should have spotted earlier, but after dealing with him for some time a level of trust builds up or at least one thinks so, one becomes a little complacent with checks when most is good & only a a few are off, so when I became more skeptical I started going over all of them in more detail & found a few that had slipped by, it's taught me to be more vigilant in future no matter who I buy from.
So if all the baggies being returned as fake are indeed being kept "isolated" so as not to be sold on, can we please see said box of questionable baggies as it would help Jeff's case.
If indeed most of these came from a single or a couple of sellers & the purchases where for thousands of pounds, surely there must be some records / receipts with cooperating photos or lists with a name maybe, again something that would make a huge argument that they have indeed been bought on for onward sale innocently.
It's is by far not just the few I posted about in the OP, there's the Commando baggies that were for sale in bulk, the trash monster baggies again in bulk, could be overstock?, yes could be, but both unconfirmed & will not grade & no provenance or for that matter where they came from, then there's the EB sets, the Bossk mailers (multiples) with fake boxes not just fake baggies- where did they come from??, plus this has only just been put out here, so other collectors all need time to check their collections & cross check where they came from if they have some questionable looking ones so REAL numbers can be gauged.
The refunds no questions asked - would seem to be a good customer service standpoint & what I thought it was, am as as sure about that now - no
So in short - am I sure many many baggies have been sold that should have been easily identified by the seller & never got as far as being sold - yes 100%, were many sold & could have been overlooked easily as not so obvious - yes it can happen to anyone, the ToyToni thing proved that, have some been sold on after being informed they are not correct - yes, but only the red text ones I can confirm 100% for sure.
I would love to think I am wrong & Jeff is a total innocent, as many have said he seems a really nice guy, but then so do many folks we meet through this life & years on we change our minds due to experiences & being let down or worse totally screwed over by a preson we though we could trust without question, the fact that made me make this public in that manor I did is that many of the baggies are so obviously fake even by novice collector standards let alone someone who has by all accounts been buying / selling & collecting baggies for twice as long as I have begs belief, the ESB-b baggies with obviously repainted logos ?? the SW-b baggies with text that rubs off if you look at them the wrong way which have heat seals that do not match & are obviously nothing like genuine known examples (very easy to see with the naked eye) & are thinner material as well as considerably narrower than a regular baggie??, if it were just one red flag on them yes but so many obvious flaws on a single baggie & it slips by, I just can't see it.
What do I stand to gain by this?? - not a dam thing!
1. I lose a contact to buy from who has more baggies for sale than any other
2. most likely baggies devalue for a good long time till the damage can be undone, so I really stand to gain by putting them in question with 90% of my collection being baggies
3. I get my name dragged through the mud & questioned which was obvious from the start, as it was obvious many would leap to Jeff's defense as they did with ToyToni & Billy Boy at the time
Bear in mind 90% of the baggies that are in question never made it to public auction on Jeffs selling platform (ebay) & were sold behind closed doors to collectors he has dealt with previously, why when they would most likely if genuine/rare & desirable bring more at auction if legitimate - not one of those ESB-b Fett's not any of the red sticker meccanos made it to public light, those being the easiest to spot as fakes & on that point, Jeff being the professed "really good friend of mine" why were none, not a single one ever offered to me for sale? with him knowing I am always on the look out to add the harder to find items to my own collection.
I have more evidence but it's late & I am tired so I will post some more actual evidence in terms of photos etc on a fresh pair of eye's & a clearer head soon as I am able.