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[mr_palitoy]

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/esb41acardback.htm

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/esb41bcardback.htm

Both the 41a and 41b come in 2 different variations, 1 with a perforated punch and no K factory code on the back, the other is unperforated with the K code.

"There is a sub variation where there is no factory code K next to the Made in Hong Kong Text which is the 45BN variation. This variation also has a perforated punch compared to the 41B variation. All figures found on the 41B variation can be found with the factory code K, whereas only a subset can be found without the code. Also, the 41C card variation which was manufactured later can only be found with the K factory code. This means that the 41BN variation came before the 41B variation. So some cards were produced initially without the code, and then the factory code was added in subsequent print runs. The 41BN variation is generally less common than the 41B, though on some figures the 41BN is more common. It could also be the case that the lack of K factory code for Kader Industries could mean that the 41BN variation was produced in a different Hong Kong factory. It would also explain why the punch is different."

So thats a bunch more 41 cardbacks I need then.



Jason

 

[theslider]

Great work as usual Jason!

 

[Captainsolo1978]

Great info!!!

 

[aussiejames]

punches match here:

Only just noticed 2 different punch holes. "Made in Hong Kong" has perforated punch hole above 'Collect all 48', "Made in Hong Kong K" has a 'smooth' punch hole that cuts through 'Collect all 48'

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1088105/

 

[mr_palitoy]

punches match here:

Only just noticed 2 different punch holes. "Made in Hong Kong" has perforated punch hole above 'Collect all 48', "Made in Hong Kong K" has a 'smooth' punch hole that cuts through 'Collect all 48'

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1088105/

Interesting, we know the same factories produced Kenner and Palitoy cards. Still doesnt tell us if this was a different factory from Kader, or an early print run though.

cheers Jason

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Great Work Jason! 8)

 

[naughtyjedi]

What a superb resource. Made me look through my card backs to see the varieties. Such a lot of amazing research and effort, will take a while to get through it.

With a background in printing (old school), I'm always paying attention to the variants in printing and the fixes due to a number of reasons that may have been applied.

Question for Jason,

why is there a big black border below the ROTJ logo on Palitoy cards? You've indicated it as a variation but I wonder what the decision was in production that led to this?

my guess it appears to be a template job where due to the nature of the figures appearing throughout the films, to save design print and plate costs they may have decided to print cards which would cover the popularity of the films run and were ready for the next logo, or so they could print across the two logo's so printing stock with an existing border/background could be reused, but the ROTJ logo combined the STAR & WARS at the top and left them with a large black border. Could be a number of reasons, but if these were printed in britain I'm sure with the power of the print unions - cost cutting to keep shifts to a minimum where possible - the plate with the black logo border was reused.

I'd be interested to see the plates of the printing and how the cards were printed. These would be old school machines, not the digital multi colour behemoths you get now. Blokes with litho machines, plates, having a fag..

On a 45 back Rebel Soldier (hoth) the ESB logo is printed with red and the black background has taken on a lot of red. This can be down to all sorts of reasons, likely the early part of the run before the printer got in there and cleaned the plate properly, or mid-run the red ink started to spread and the plate cleaned, there would have been an acceptable tolerance accepted and released (if QA standards were similar to the ones i knew). I can also see the logo black surround is printed over the top of the image as you can make out certain patterns of the image continue under the black part of the logo (the ROTJ logo sits higher on a palitoy and the radius of a Boushh 65 ROTJ logo would not fit into the black radius comfortably if the logo was printed lower).

The star wars logo on this ROTJ card looks amateurish in terms of the metallic effect to the rest of the card (i.e the image border). If it was over printed as I'm speculating, the inhouse design team may have had to create their own version and thus you don't get the subtle metallic effect and instead a poor imitation. Or, due to overprinting the white ink would have to be more prominent (and rather than another pass a less detailed version accepted) meaning you couldn't get away with the subtle metallic shading. I worked for a while in cardboard carton printing, and occasionally with the permission of the client an inhouse change to the artwork for printing had to be made. It was rare, usually with tight deadlines and artwork getting damaged. But these were the days when sending new artwork could take a while so i would imagine local manufacturing would have to operate within brand guidelines but source design locally.

I'm sure theres someone else out there who can tell me the mysteries of Star Wars printing methods.

im sorry to bore anyone.. just jason's site has got me thinking...

 

[Pomse2001]

Great work and a great guide :wink:

 

[mr_palitoy]

What a superb resource. Made me look through my card backs to see the varieties. Such a lot of amazing research and effort, will take a while to get through it.

With a background in printing (old school), I'm always paying attention to the variants in printing and the fixes due to a number of reasons that may have been applied.

Question for Jason,

why is there a big black border below the ROTJ logo on Palitoy cards? You've indicated it as a variation but I wonder what the decision was in production that led to this?

my guess it appears to be a template job where due to the nature of the figures appearing throughout the films, to save design print and plate costs they may have decided to print cards which would cover the popularity of the films run and were ready for the next logo, or so they could print across the two logo's so printing stock with an existing border/background could be reused, but the ROTJ logo combined the STAR & WARS at the top and left them with a large black border. Could be a number of reasons, but if these were printed in britain I'm sure with the power of the print unions - cost cutting to keep shifts to a minimum where possible - the plate with the black logo border was reused.

I'd be interested to see the plates of the printing and how the cards were printed. These would be old school machines, not the digital multi colour behemoths you get now. Blokes with litho machines, plates, having a fag..

On a 45 back Rebel Soldier (hoth) the ESB logo is printed with red and the black background has taken on a lot of red. This can be down to all sorts of reasons, likely the early part of the run before the printer got in there and cleaned the plate properly, or mid-run the red ink started to spread and the plate cleaned, there would have been an acceptable tolerance accepted and released (if QA standards were similar to the ones i knew). I can also see the logo black surround is printed over the top of the image as you can make out certain patterns of the image continue under the black part of the logo (the ROTJ logo sits higher on a palitoy and the radius of a Boushh 65 ROTJ logo would not fit into the black radius comfortably if the logo was printed lower).

The star wars logo on this ROTJ card looks amateurish in terms of the metallic effect to the rest of the card (i.e the image border). If it was over printed as I'm speculating, the inhouse design team may have had to create their own version and thus you don't get the subtle metallic effect and instead a poor imitation. Or, due to overprinting the white ink would have to be more prominent (and rather than another pass a less detailed version accepted) meaning you couldn't get away with the subtle metallic shading. I worked for a while in cardboard carton printing, and occasionally with the permission of the client an inhouse change to the artwork for printing had to be made. It was rare, usually with tight deadlines and artwork getting damaged. But these were the days when sending new artwork could take a while so i would imagine local manufacturing would have to operate within brand guidelines but source design locally.

I'm sure theres someone else out there who can tell me the mysteries of Star Wars printing methods.

im sorry to bore anyone.. just jason's site has got me thinking...

The big black border on 65a/65b/65c does look odd. It only has TM written there, maybe there was more text to be written but they thought better of it?

cheers Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Have started the process of adding pages for non cardback palitoy stuff. Will expand this to cover the whole star wars line over time.

First up are diecasts:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/swdiecasts.htm



Jason

 

[spoons]

Great die cast page Jason - but probably need to mention the Kenner TIE Bomber with the wave III for completeness

 

[mr_palitoy]

Great die cast page Jason - but probably need to mention the Kenner TIE Bomber with the wave III for completeness

The box says ESB, but the back of the box says wave II.

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=41841

Mixture of cardbacks here:-

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1088662-3/

Some say tie bomber is wave II some don't have it.

So a bit unclear really.

Jason

 

[spoons]

Definitely Wave III for me

There is a huge amount of variation on Kenner die cast packaging, and loads of mistakes. The Imperial Cruiser text on the back of the SW boxed Falcon and Y-Wing is a prime example of poor QC.

I'd put the Wave II text in the same boat - but doesn't really matter for a Palitoy site I suppose

 

[mr_palitoy]

Next up is the large Size Action Figures page:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/swlargeactionfigures.htm

No room for the word Size in the Page Title, due to an arbitrary limit on my website editor.

Lee Bullock, please be gentle with me!



Jason

 

[Palifan]

Next up is the large Size Action Figures page:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/swlargeactionfigures.htm

No room for the word Size in the Page Title, due to an arbitrary limit on my website editor.

Lee Bullock, please be gentle with me!



Jason

Great update as ever Jason but it might be worth mentioning Luke's grappling hook that's with it (I think it's in the Palitoy version?) and Leia's mirror. Also do you know if she was also packed with the hair style instructions?

Keep up the good work!

Ian

 

[mr_palitoy]

Next up is the large Size Action Figures page:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/swlargeactionfigures.htm

No room for the word Size in the Page Title, due to an arbitrary limit on my website editor.

Lee Bullock, please be gentle with me!



Jason

Great update as ever Jason but it might be worth mentioning Luke's grappling hook that's with it (I think it's in the Palitoy version?) and Leia's mirror. Also do you know if she was also packed with the hair style instructions?

Keep up the good work!

Ian

So the saber is actually a grappling hook for palitoy, and that blue brush is a mirror? Can you tell I don't have the pieces in hand!

Can't find any hair style instructions on google images.



cheers Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Blue comb and a mirror in this pic:-

cheers Jason

 

[Palifan]

Blue comb and a mirror in this pic:-


cheers Jason

Here's the hair instructions -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Star-Wars-Kenner-Princess-Leia-12-large-Doll-Action-Figure-Boxed-11-5-/161112615659?nma=true&si=pCTWDF10egFpIOQPvyowAywqb2A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

You can also see the grappling hook in the plastic bag next to the saber in your picture Jason and here's a picture of it out of the bag -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-LUKE-SKYWALKER-Farm-Boy-12-Nr-Mint-boxed-large-action-figure-Kenner-/171247219266?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item27df213242

Ian

 

[mr_palitoy]

Blue comb and a mirror in this pic:-


cheers Jason

Here's the hair instructions -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Star-Wars-Kenner-Princess-Leia-12-large-Doll-Action-Figure-Boxed-11-5-/161112615659?nma=true&si=pCTWDF10egFpIOQPvyowAywqb2A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

You can also see the grappling hook in the plastic bag next to the saber in your picture Jason and here's a picture of it out of the bag -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-LUKE-SKYWALKER-Farm-Boy-12-Nr-Mint-boxed-large-action-figure-Kenner-/171247219266?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item27df213242

Ian

So a saber and a grappling hook then.

Those are Kenner hair instructions that came with the Kenner version of the figure.

cheers Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Have amended the page to include the mirror and grappling hook in the blurb.

cheers Jason