Another deluded eBayer - Jawa Palitoy 12 back

[jedisearcher]

In the interest of no one getting ripped off, they have this picture:



wheras it's actually as bad as this:



I also could've sworn I'd seen a picture of lifting on a corner of the Han Solo bubble which they seem to have forgotten to take a picture of.

In fairness, I thought the auctioneer made a major screw up of that auction. By not posting too many pictures and calling them "good and unopened" and then people finding out two weren't even sealed I'm sure many people would have been put off from bidding. However, I also talked to someone who'd seen them in hand and he said they were really poor quality.

I still think it's a dice roll if anyone decides to try and buy them. Having seen them already put the Jawa and DSD on fire sale, any buyer might as well wait til they come down in price.

Looking at the one's that have sold on here recently, the prices for c9+/dead mint versions are going for less than half of what theses jokers are trying to get.

 

[Palifan]

Well those closeup pics don't look too promising and the quality really is no where near the couple that sold on here recently for a lot less. It is still an asking price though so a more reasonable offer maybe accepted.

The seller is on here though and I remember them coming in on another thread and someone saying that they'd had good dealings with them so maybe they should write something now about these concerns?

Ian

 

[jedisearcher]

Bloody hell, they're doing it with the Vectis stuff now.

One of the lots like these:

http://www.vectis.co.uk/Page/ViewLot.aspx?LotId=573801
http://www.vectis.co.uk/Page/ViewLot.aspx?LotId=573783

Magically turns into one/some of these:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=rare+vintage+palitoy&_ssn=millionsoftoys&hash=item51d0404791&item=351386224529&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xrare+vintage+palitoy+65.TRS0&_nkw=rare+vintage+palitoy+65&_sacat=0

I'm feeling abit like a stalker now so won't be posting any more (other than to laugh about the price drops) ...

 

[millionsoftoys]

BOYS!!!!
I think again you are very unfair in the name calling.. and biting at every opportunity towards me.. We deal with hundreds of toy ranges including SW and have done for over 2 decades, this is a business for us and many of our items come from our stocks that we have had for many years, private individuals and auctions.

Images dont always tell a true reflection of condition, and our buyers are welcome to visit our offices to view, which many of them do. I can assure you that the prices are based on rarity and condition, also knowing the provenance of the toys is really important. Many of you are only looking at previous auction information without knowing the facts.

Lucy

 

[Andyclarke]

You may know more about other toy lines than some of the forum members but it is pretty clear by the prices you are trying to get that everyone on this forum clearly knows more about Star Wars collectables than you do and I would listen to the honest advice that is being given and discussed, those who attend these forums are specialists in this field.

Your prices are plain wrong, for example a mint Chewbacca went for over £4,000 recently and another went on eBay for £3000 that was graded both were in by far better condition than yours. A bubble lift in the corner could knock a £4,000 piece down to £1,000 as it just becomes a placeholder until a better one comes along. It feels like you are looking to try and go after the uneducated. Having said that I'm pretty certain at those prices you will never sell them, even Vectis won't sell them at that price and they're dealing with mint figures. We all know how much you paid for the items and how much you are trying to make on them.

In my honest opinion this is what I think in the current market they are worth:

Jawa £400 (faded, cracked and dinged)
DSD £250 (Multiple heavy creases)
Han £800 (Large ding up the side)
Chewie £1000 (Lifted bubble and creases)
Ben £100 (Opened card)
Leia £100 (Opened card)

Let's see if other forum members agree.

 

[Fishtalk]

Totally agree with everything Andy has just posted.

Lucy, you are of course entitled to ask what you want for your items, but you have to be realistic. Andy has pointed out the flaws your Palitoy figures have and is spot on with his pricing imo. So many collectors, myself included, are being priced out of the hobby they love by ridiculously overpriced items.

And remember, nothing flies under the radar in the Star Wars collecting world. As Andy pointed out, we all know what you paid for these and other figures.

Obviously you are not the only seller asking unrealistic prices, it's become a real nightmare lately. But thanks for coming on here to state your case. Have a nice day!

 

[jedisearcher]

Images dont always tell a true reflection of condition

No they don't which is why YOU should post pictures with the lifting and other damage shown properly (like I did).

I can assure you that the prices are based on rarity and condition

And I can assure you that like I stated, 3 or 4 dead mint/c9+ versions have sold within the last month for less than half of what your tatty stock is priced it.

No name calling. TRUTH.

 

[jedisearcher]

In my honest opinion this is what I think in the current market they are worth:

Jawa £400 (faded, cracked and dinged)
DSD £250 (Multiple heavy creases)
Han £800 (Large ding up the side)
Chewie £1000 (Lifted bubble and creases)
Ben £100 (Opened card)
Leia £100 (Opened card)

Let's see if other forum members agree.

Good post Andy.

I think your prices are pretty good, i.e. about 1/3rd of what this seller is trying to sell them for.

Chris

 

[Andyclarke]

In my honest opinion this is what I think in the current market they are worth:

Jawa £400 (faded, cracked and dinged)
DSD £250 (Multiple heavy creases)
Han £800 (Large ding up the side)
Chewie £1000 (Lifted bubble and creases)
Ben £100 (Opened card)
Leia £100 (Opened card)

Let's see if other forum members agree.

Good post Andy.

I think your prices are pretty good, i.e. about 1/3rd of what this seller is trying to sell them for.

Chris

Cheers Chris and Fishtalk. They'll learn the hard way when they lose money on these lots. At least they did the under bidders a favour because based on the original auction descriptions I'd have been gutted to land these.

 

[Palifan]

Great posts above and we all know they're way over priced with the condition they're in and you only need to take a quick look in the sold section to see some recent prices and conditions.

The thing that makes me sad with all of this is that the person who was outbid on these 4 12 backs ( 2 sealed ish and two resealed), is that maybe they actually wanted them for themselves and now with the prices they've been put up for there's no way they'll ever be able to afford them. I know none of these will go for asking price but it's the fact that these auction houses are now becoming just another place for dealers to pick up their wares and make a quick buck off of. I bet a large percentage of sales recently aren't going anywhere near collectors hands until the dealers have decided how much everything's worth. This sort of thing has always gone on, I realise that, but it will probably just end up putting so many people off of getting into the hobby due to cost that it's a real shame.

The end of the day this forum is mainly for vintage Star Wars fans and the dealers who just see us as people to make money off of will always get a rough ride. Sorry to say that Lucy but it's the way it is. Maybe there's a dealers forum out there where people can laugh about all the toy geeks who are going into debt because of them. :roll:

Ian

 

[sith-smith]

Great post Andy.

There's no justification for the price of that chewie...even if it were mint. There's no knowledge of palitoy cards recent prices or plain common sense demonstrated.

 

[theforceuk]

Hold the phone, I think their's been a price drop.

 

[Palifan]

I'm not so sure there has been.

 

[itfciain]

Fair play to the seller coming on here and looking at her eBay profile then they do shift "millions" of toys - but like a few guys I find some of the attitude a bit patronizing - especially when it is clear, that as far as Star Wars goes at least. that a lot of the guys are more knowledgeable on the subject than she is

Nothing wrong with buying for profit and fair play to anyone that can - but I think in this case the cards sold at auction for around the right price and the seller is going to have her work cut out making any sort of profit at all

 

[aussiejames]

PGowdy was right :wink:

 

[sith-smith]

I'm not so sure there has been.

Well the Jawa now seems to £2300

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Unfortunately I have had a number of run-ins with 'Millions of Toys'.

Just because you can, dosent mean you should.

 

[monkeyboy]

BOYS!!!!
I think again you are very unfair in the name calling.. and biting at every opportunity towards me.. We deal with hundreds of toy ranges including SW and have done for over 2 decades, this is a business for us and many of our items come from our stocks that we have had for many years, private individuals and auctions.

Images dont always tell a true reflection of condition, and our buyers are welcome to visit our offices to view, which many of them do. I can assure you that the prices are based on rarity and condition, also knowing the provenance of the toys is really important. Many of you are only looking at previous auction information without knowing the facts.

Lucy

What a load of garbage.
You are the used car salesman who has picked up an E-type full of bodyfiller with a rusty chassis, and now you're sticking it on the forecourt for full price.
So you are either A. Completely ignorant of used E-type prices regarding condition. Or B. Hoping some mug who's not really sure what he's looking at (but really wants an E-type) comes along and you put you're arm around his shoulder and say 'well mate, that's what they're going for nowadays'
You don't care about E-types, you're just in it for the money, money, money etc
Hope you're garage roof collapses.
Have a nice day 8)

 

[jedisearcher]

They're all up as 99p auctions now (which was very quick). I wonder if the seller has realised that the Palitoy Vectis stuff is going to hit the shelves soon and they'll be left with them.

In fairness, they've put up lots of pics of the Chewbacca bubble. Looking at it though, all it's going to take is one clumsy post man (from some of the packages I've received it's fair to say there are a couple :lol: ) and it's going to be one loose Chewbacca and one cardback.

I think they'll still make some money on these, but not a lot after fee's etc.

 

[Andyclarke]

Well fair play for starting them all at 99p and the extra pics. I hope they honour whatever price it ends up and there is no shill bidding going on.

That Chewbacca is way worse than I thought. Looks like 25% of it has lifted. The auction house that sold them gave seriously bad descriptions of the lots.

That Han looks to have a small crack at the bottom where it's crushed, funny no mention of that and not really a decent pic to show it.

Very interesting to see what price these end up with.