tiefighterboy
Grand Master
one things for sure. He has sold fakes. Was aware long ago he had sold some and learned nothing from it as he still continued to sell them even if it was due to lack of knowledge.
jedisearcher said:Being objective, the piece of evidence that would help Jeff would be some proof he spent a ton of money with jawa93 or whatever his username was, as it establishes a trail back to a possible faker. Without it you take your pick with whether you believe he did/didn't fake them himself. If my name was being dragged through the mud I'd be in the phone 24/7 to PayPal or my Bank immediately to firmly establish that fact. Those records will be there, no doubt about it.
But even then, isn't it a bit of a stretch to think someone (jawa93 potentially as that's the name out there), produced hundreds of these things, sold them all in one batch and never went and produced more? If you were so minded to have faked a load of them, sold them for serious money (to Jeff) then why on earth would you not do it again, and again?? People like that don't stop til they're caught. It doesn't stack up.
Nameless faceless sellers getting their eBay handle put on a thread can not be compared to someone having a thread dedicated entirely to them, complete with real name and mugshots, and having the entire Star Wars collecting community invited to a ritual flogging. It lacked class yesterday and looks even worse today.Bootyhunter said:Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:Hang on, doesn't this forum have a whole sub section called SELLERS TO AVOID with dozens of instances where an unhappy forum member has outed a seller for being dodgy?
Playing devils advocate here... but how many of those sellers were forewarned?
Exactly what I was thinking, also plenty of dodgy sellers are fingered on the Ebay thread. It seems to me that some of you guys are going to stand by Jeff regardless
Bootyhunter said:Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:Hang on, doesn't this forum have a whole sub section called SELLERS TO AVOID with dozens of instances where an unhappy forum member has outed a seller for being dodgy?
Playing devils advocate here... but how many of those sellers were forewarned?
Exactly what I was thinking, also plenty of dodgy sellers are fingered on the Ebay thread. It seems to me that some of you guys are going to stand by Jeff regardless
Exactly it is totally different and is no comparisonLom said:Nameless faceless sellers getting their eBay handle put on a thread can not be compared to someone having a thread dedicated entirely to them, complete with real name and mugshots, and having the entire Star Wars collecting community invited to a ritual flogging. It lacked class yesterday and looks even worse today.Bootyhunter said:Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:Hang on, doesn't this forum have a whole sub section called SELLERS TO AVOID with dozens of instances where an unhappy forum member has outed a seller for being dodgy?
Playing devils advocate here... but how many of those sellers were forewarned?
Exactly what I was thinking, also plenty of dodgy sellers are fingered on the Ebay thread. It seems to me that some of you guys are going to stand by Jeff regardless
tiefighterboy said:one things for sure. He has sold fakes. Was aware long ago he had sold some and learned nothing from it as he still continued to sell them even if it was due to lack of knowledge.
finestcomics said:Hothrebel said:Lee Bullock said:let not turn this into a witch hunt.
Peace out
Lee
Too late !!
Agreed. This pattern of witch hunts going on has been allowed to get completely out of hand because of politics, rivalries, and deluded ego's that think they are beyond reproach. The last one saw the mud-slingers cinch their saddles without as much as an apology to the wronged party, and I hope for the sake of those involved here they have proof to back the accusations, because this is one situation which the community shouldn't allow to slip by without people answering to this.
SOJ said:Bootyhunter said:Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:Hang on, doesn't this forum have a whole sub section called SELLERS TO AVOID with dozens of instances where an unhappy forum member has outed a seller for being dodgy?
Playing devils advocate here... but how many of those sellers were forewarned?
Exactly what I was thinking, also plenty of dodgy sellers are fingered on the Ebay thread. It seems to me that some of you guys are going to stand by Jeff regardless
Having your real name, alongside a photo posted of you, with links to multiple vintage FB groups leading thousands to view the thread is a bit different IMO. Look at Edd's graph on the "today on facebook" thread to see how traffic through this site accelerated when those links went up.
Selling a repro saber and getting called out as a SELLER TO AVOID is a bit different to what this guys been accused of.
What evidence is there is manufactured baggies? Why are you so sure he did that? Where is the evidence?
aussiejames said:jedisearcher said:Being objective, the piece of evidence that would help Jeff would be some proof he spent a ton of money with jawa93 or whatever his username was, as it establishes a trail back to a possible faker. Without it you take your pick with whether you believe he did/didn't fake them himself. If my name was being dragged through the mud I'd be in the phone 24/7 to PayPal or my Bank immediately to firmly establish that fact. Those records will be there, no doubt about it.
But even then, isn't it a bit of a stretch to think someone (jawa93 potentially as that's the name out there), produced hundreds of these things, sold them all in one batch and never went and produced more? If you were so minded to have faked a load of them, sold them for serious money (to Jeff) then why on earth would you not do it again, and again?? People like that don't stop til they're caught. It doesn't stack up.
I gave a link to Jawa39 ( Gratson) I assume it's the same guy??
Bootyhunter said:SOJ said:Bootyhunter said:Exactly what I was thinking, also plenty of dodgy sellers are fingered on the Ebay thread. It seems to me that some of you guys are going to stand by Jeff regardless
Having your real name, alongside a photo posted of you, with links to multiple vintage FB groups leading thousands to view the thread is a bit different IMO. Look at Edd's graph on the "today on facebook" thread to see how traffic through this site accelerated when those links went up.
Selling a repro saber and getting called out as a SELLER TO AVOID is a bit different to what this guys been accused of.
What evidence is there is manufactured baggies? Why are you so sure he did that? Where is the evidence?
I do not use facebook so I wasn't aware the guys photo had been used, I did not say I was sure he did it either
Richard_H said:He claims to be a technophobe.