Premier League 2020/2021 Thread

[Snaketibe]

HOW is that a penalty to Spurs? Kane backs in to lallana as he jumps. That is a foul BY kane. Free kick to Brighton. How has Lallana fouled someone who backs in to him when he is in mid air?
Not sure if it was even in the area, I'd need to see it in slow mo, but that is irrelevant, it's never a foul on kane, it's a foul BY kane

I completely disagree, as did the commentators on the game I was watching. A very clear foul on Kane and a definite penalty (and the VAR replays also clearly showed Kane was on the line when Lallana jumped onto him, hence it being given as a penalty). However, Brighton's goal should certainly have been ruled out by VAR since Hojbjerg was very obviously fouled in the build up. Don't get me wrong, Spurs did not play very well today, but they scored two legitimate goals and Brighton should have had theirs ruled out, so justice was done.

I agree on the foul in the build up to Brighton's goal. Only seen two crappy angles of it, but it does look a stonewall foul. That hadn't happened when I posted about the Spurs pen, hence I didn't mention it. As for the "foul" by Lallana being in or out of the area, see my original comment, I haven't seen a decent and slow enough replay to be able to tell. BUT, that is NOT a foul. Kane fouls Lallana, not the other way round. I would love to know how you think Lallana is the guilty party here.

As for Salah's pen, yeah. My reaction in real time was "FFS you're not getting a pen for that, get up." It was the definition of soft. As was Arsenal's at Utd. Yes, there was contact in both cases, but never enough to knock a grown man over. And since when does contact = a pen. Football is a contact sport, hence contact is allowed. Mind you the WH defender and Pogba were both daft for swinging a boot, just stand off him but close enough to stop the shot. In both cases the player had no angle and was headed away from goal. There is nothing to be gained by swinging a boot.

I'm all ears for that Kane penalty though. It's NEVER EVER EVER a foul by Lallana. If I was the VAR gimp I would have been recommending a yellow for Kane, he turns round and back in to Lallana (see the link to twitter I posted) while he is in mid-air, that's dangerous and definitely not a foul by lallana.

Genuinely flabbergasted you think that's a pen.

It's not just me. The commentators didn't have any doubts either. They agreed Kane positioned himself cleverly to draw the foul, but the bottom line is that Lallana jumped onto Kane. If you feel a rule change is required to make that not a foul, then fair enough, but under the current rules, the commentators and VAR officials agreed it was a foul.

 

[theforceuk]

Spurs are gonna win the league, you heard it here first.

Banned :lol:

And Arsenal are gonna win the Europa League!

 

[weasel]

I completely disagree, as did the commentators on the game I was watching. A very clear foul on Kane and a definite penalty (and the VAR replays also clearly showed Kane was on the line when Lallana jumped onto him, hence it being given as a penalty). However, Brighton's goal should certainly have been ruled out by VAR since Hojbjerg was very obviously fouled in the build up. Don't get me wrong, Spurs did not play very well today, but they scored two legitimate goals and Brighton should have had theirs ruled out, so justice was done.

I agree on the foul in the build up to Brighton's goal. Only seen two crappy angles of it, but it does look a stonewall foul. That hadn't happened when I posted about the Spurs pen, hence I didn't mention it. As for the "foul" by Lallana being in or out of the area, see my original comment, I haven't seen a decent and slow enough replay to be able to tell. BUT, that is NOT a foul. Kane fouls Lallana, not the other way round. I would love to know how you think Lallana is the guilty party here.

As for Salah's pen, yeah. My reaction in real time was "FFS you're not getting a pen for that, get up." It was the definition of soft. As was Arsenal's at Utd. Yes, there was contact in both cases, but never enough to knock a grown man over. And since when does contact = a pen. Football is a contact sport, hence contact is allowed. Mind you the WH defender and Pogba were both daft for swinging a boot, just stand off him but close enough to stop the shot. In both cases the player had no angle and was headed away from goal. There is nothing to be gained by swinging a boot.

I'm all ears for that Kane penalty though. It's NEVER EVER EVER a foul by Lallana. If I was the VAR gimp I would have been recommending a yellow for Kane, he turns round and back in to Lallana (see the link to twitter I posted) while he is in mid-air, that's dangerous and definitely not a foul by lallana.

Genuinely flabbergasted you think that's a pen.

It's not just me. The commentators didn't have any doubts either. They agreed Kane positioned himself cleverly to draw the foul, but the bottom line is that Lallana jumped onto Kane. If you feel a rule change is required to make that not a foul, then fair enough, but under the current rules, the commentators and VAR officials agreed it was a foul.

I am amazed by that. He CLEARLY backs in to Lallana. Do that anywhere else on the pitch and Lallana gets the free.

So, what is the difference between Kane being clever and positioning himself to draw the foul, and Salah being clever and drawing the defender into making contact for Liverpool's (soft as ****) penalty!? Salah gets slagged for going down easily, Kane gets a pat on the back for being clever!?
Hhhmmmmm

 

[Snaketibe]

I agree on the foul in the build up to Brighton's goal. Only seen two crappy angles of it, but it does look a stonewall foul. That hadn't happened when I posted about the Spurs pen, hence I didn't mention it. As for the "foul" by Lallana being in or out of the area, see my original comment, I haven't seen a decent and slow enough replay to be able to tell. BUT, that is NOT a foul. Kane fouls Lallana, not the other way round. I would love to know how you think Lallana is the guilty party here.

As for Salah's pen, yeah. My reaction in real time was "FFS you're not getting a pen for that, get up." It was the definition of soft. As was Arsenal's at Utd. Yes, there was contact in both cases, but never enough to knock a grown man over. And since when does contact = a pen. Football is a contact sport, hence contact is allowed. Mind you the WH defender and Pogba were both daft for swinging a boot, just stand off him but close enough to stop the shot. In both cases the player had no angle and was headed away from goal. There is nothing to be gained by swinging a boot.

I'm all ears for that Kane penalty though. It's NEVER EVER EVER a foul by Lallana. If I was the VAR gimp I would have been recommending a yellow for Kane, he turns round and back in to Lallana (see the link to twitter I posted) while he is in mid-air, that's dangerous and definitely not a foul by lallana.

Genuinely flabbergasted you think that's a pen.

It's not just me. The commentators didn't have any doubts either. They agreed Kane positioned himself cleverly to draw the foul, but the bottom line is that Lallana jumped onto Kane. If you feel a rule change is required to make that not a foul, then fair enough, but under the current rules, the commentators and VAR officials agreed it was a foul.

I am amazed by that. He CLEARLY backs in to Lallana. Do that anywhere else on the pitch and Lallana gets the free.

So, what is the difference between Kane being clever and positioning himself to draw the foul, and Salah being clever and drawing the defender into making contact for Liverpool's (soft as ****) penalty!? Salah gets slagged for going down easily, Kane gets a pat on the back for being clever!?
Hhhmmmmm

I haven't seen the Salah one and so can't comment on it, but I'm happy to take your word that it was soft.

As for saying if Kane did that anywhere else on the pitch Lallana would get the free, in fact the referee initially thought it was outside the box and still gave Spurs the free kick. It was the VAR check which showed Kane was on the line and hence it was actually a penalty.

 

[weasel]

I still can't get my head round how anyone thinks Kane is the victim in that incident though.
As I said, for me, it's a yellow card for him for backing in

 

[Snaketibe]

I still can't get my head round how anyone thinks Kane is the victim in that incident though.
As I said, for me, it's a yellow card for him for backing in

Fair enough, you're certainly entitled to your view

I in fact think Kane was rather fortunate not to get booked later in the game when he did collapse rather too easily in the box, à la Jürgen Klinsmann ;-)

 

[weasel]

All I've seen if the game is the penalty and a couple of dodgy angles of the foul in the build up to Brighton's goal. Ohh and Bale's goal, he took it well.

 

[weasel]

#OleIn!!!!!!!

Can someone talk me through the defending for that first goal?

Leave the other teams' CF in 20 yards of space on the half way line while your entire back four piss off up for a corner.

Did Matic not see him?
Did no none of your CB's pass him over as they went up?
Did no one think maybe, just maybe, all four of your back four didn't need to go up for a corner in the 12th minute of your 3rd group game, with the score at 0-0?
Did none of the subs, coaches or Ole notice that Demba ba-blacksheep was totally unmarked?
Did Henderson not see him!?

It's not even school boy.

 

[edd_jedi]

Wow West Ham got away with one last night, that's the worst penalty I've ever seen :lol:

 

[Cazza]

Absolutely hilarious! Trying to be clever in the 97th minute :lol:

 

[weasel]

That has been an accident waiting to happen for a long time. The "paneka" penalty leaves you open to looking like a dick if you **** it up. As Lookman has now found out.

 

[edd_jedi]

I know we/I keep banging on about it, but in the last 24 hours VAR has disallowed a goal for offside due to a player pointing with only his hand offside, and Leicester today awarded yet another dodgy handball penalty. Two questions, when was the last time VAR got a decision right, and how is it possible that this new system is worse than nothing at all? I really don't understand why there isn't more uproar about it, this is a crisis, not a minor inconvenience.

 

[Snaketibe]

I agree, except of course (and as I am sure you appreciate), VAR isn't the problem, it's the idiotic way in which it's used. If it was used properly and reasonably, VAR would be a wonderful additional tool to improve accuracy and fairness in the game, however the way it's currently being used it's almost as if those in charge of it are wanting it to fail by making the most moronic decisions possible :-(

 

[theforceuk]

VAR is a complete joke and I agree its a crisis now. When a team scores I instantly wander if its actually a goal. So its ruined the best part of football.

 

[edd_jedi]

Well it was nice being top of the table for a couple of hours at least :lol: I am liking how open the table is looking at the moment, only five points separating the top ten, and a few of the usual suspects out of the top four for a change. I'm not surprised Everton have started slipping down the table, but credit to Villa for continuing their great start.

The bad news is Spurs now have one of the worst runs I've ever seen - City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Leicester all before Christmas, so I expect we'll be in the bottom half after that lot but having ground out a few tough results against 'lower' teams in recent weeks, these are the games they need to start competing in for any shot at the title.

 

[weasel]

I know we/I keep banging on about it, but in the last 24 hours VAR has disallowed a goal for offside due to a player pointing with only his hand offside, and Leicester today awarded yet another dodgy handball penalty. Two questions, when was the last time VAR got a decision right, and how is it possible that this new system is worse than nothing at all? I really don't understand why there isn't more uproar about it, this is a crisis, not a minor inconvenience.

And an equally daft one against Gomez for City. Yes, it hits his hand, yes, he is inside the box but **** me, anyone with a brain can see he is 1) about 5 yards away, 2) trying to get out of the way, 3) it is twatted at him and, 4) it hits his elbow which is fairly close to his body.

It's literally getting to the stage where any contact with the hand = a penalty. And that is ****ing stupid. You can't run/jump/try and block shots with your hands behind your back.

Yes, under current interpretation of the rules both the Gomez and Leicester penalties were penalties, but does anyone REALLY think penalties should be given for stuff like that!?

VAR isn't the problem, it's the idiotic way in which it's used.

100% It does a great job on red cards etc, but on offside and handballs it's daft. If you need the lines to determine is a guy's left bollock is half a millimetre offside, then you're a moron.
If you wanna give any and every slight contact between a players hand and the ball, you're a moron who is ruinin football.


Rant over.

 

[edd_jedi]

So who's going to get injured in this last round of now pointless (for Enlgand anyway) Nations League matches before the PL resumes? Bale obviously, but what about other teams.

 

[weasel]

Well, Liverpool have more players injured/unavailable for International football this week than they have fit.

VVD, Gomes, Ox, TAA, Robertson, Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, and Keita are all injured (though I suspect 3 or 4 will be ok for Sunday if not then they should be fine by CL nxt week) Salah has covid, Matip and Milner are retired from Int footy. That leaves Alison, Winjandum, Shakira, Jota, Origi, Mane, Minamino and Firminio.

We can least afford to lose Alison, Adrian is Moreno-esque. Do Brazil even have a game? His plane back will probably crash and take Firminio with it. The way Pool's luck is going it will probably crash on Jota's house and take him out as well.

 

[theforceuk]

Think Man Utd players are all ok, although Cavani got sent off, see Pogba played well for France playing as a CDM. Will be interesting to see if he starts for Man Utd on Saturday.

 

[edd_jedi]

No injuries but Doherty has got Coronavirus, just what you need before a game against City :roll: